May 4, 2021

28: What it means to Be a Life-Athlete with Cory Camp

28: What it means to Be a Life-Athlete with Cory Camp

Today, we are chatting with Cory Camp. Cory grew up a swimmer and that consumed his life for 18 years until graduation day, whereas many of us, he found himself kind of at a loss of what to do, he found himself 40 pounds heavier than his athletic weight and overall not prepared for life after sport. He certainly got back on track now and works with former athletes to tap into their primal athletic mindset to create the life that they can be proud of.

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Jase Kraft: [00:00:00.15] You're listening to the Science of Sports Recovery podcast, I'm your host Jase Kraft, and today we are chatting with Cory Camp. Cory grew up a swimmer and that consumed his life for 18 years until graduation day, where as many of us, he found himself kind of at a loss of what to do, he found himself 40 pounds heavier than his athletic weight and overall not prepared for life after sport. He certainly got back on track now and works with former [00:00:30.00] athletes to tap into their primal athletic mindset to create the life that they can be proud of. So let's be real, guys. Every athlete's career ends someday, whether that's when you leave college, whether that's when you're 40 or you have a major injury. But this isn't going to last forever. It's not fun to think about. But in this conversation, we are going to explore the idea of taking the mindset [00:01:00.00] from being an athlete, being in training and recovering and competing into the world outside of sport and what life looks like after sport. You are more than an athlete. So wherever you find yourself, whether you're nearing the end of your career or you're smack dab in the middle, you'll get some takeaways from Corey to start implementing today or at least some things to start thinking about as you go through your career. [00:01:30.00] Or maybe your career is already done. And there's just some things that you need to wrestle with. This is going to be a great episode for you. Let's dove in.


Speaker2: [00:01:45.03] You're listening to the Science of Sports Recovery podcast. Each week, we explore how to recover more efficiently from training so you can work out harder and realize your full potential. This is the Science of Sports Recovery [00:02:00.00] podcast.


Jase Kraft: [00:02:13.63] Cory, welcome to the show. It's great to have you,


Cory Camp: [00:02:16.60] Jase, thanks for having me, man. Excited to chop it up here with you and just jam out on some some topics. I love all things recovery. So this can be fun one.


Jase Kraft: [00:02:25.54] Awesome, before we get into specific recovery [00:02:30.00] and stuff. I like to have the audience know a little bit of who they're listening to. So you have a swimming background. We know that from the intro. But tell us a little bit more specifics. Like when did you get into swimming and why was swimming the sport that stuck out for you?


Cory Camp: [00:02:51.46] It's funny by my dad, so in college as well. And he was a big part of me getting involved in the sport. But [00:03:00.00] ironically, my mom didn't want me. She didn't want me to feel pressured, you know, like she was like, you don't have to be exactly like your dad. Like, let's wait and see. Well, when I was four years old, this is what was going on in the family dynamic. And then that weekend before, like summer league swim starts is like old school days where you go to the pool and you're signing up with pencil and paper. It's not online registration days just yet. We're there, I'm hanging out [00:03:30.00] with my dad because he's the head coach and he's filling out taking people's registration and he's just like, go around and play. So being four years old and walking around the pool and I see this pool vacuum pole hanging out of the deep end and I go, that looks really fun to just like, climb like, oh, no. Well, for those, you know, now at the bottom of the pool, vacuum pool, there's this, like, rubber piece that has wheels on it. And so, of course, when I go to climb this pole, it rolls. And next thing I know, [00:04:00.00] I'm four years old in about 14 feet of water. No idea how to swim. My dad has to swim the whole length of the pool to come and save me. I don't remember any of this. I just remember going to McDonald's in my dad's like extra baggy sweatshirt afterwards I was pretty happy then. That for that kind of change, the my mom's perspective of like, yeah, we're not going to wait another year to get Cory involved in swimming, like, we're going to put him into lessons. And I was really fortunate. Like I said, [00:04:30.00] I don't remember much of that actual instant because I was in lessons the next week and it wasn't like I had this fear of the water. I just I took to it pretty naturally. Didn't mean I was great right away, but I lost my time in the water.


Jase Kraft: [00:04:44.50] For sure. And man I, I didn't learn, like, really how to swim, like, I could not drown, but I didn't really learn how to swim until fourth grade. I was like the opposite.


Cory Camp: [00:04:55.54] At least, you know, man, it's a great I always say it's a great life skill. And I oftentimes [00:05:00.00] take for granted the abilities that I have in the water. It's not normal, like most people don't have that same ability. So there's definitely, definitely a good one.


Jase Kraft: [00:05:11.92] So when was it then that you started to take the sport seriously?


Cory Camp: [00:05:18.07] It was probably I was faced with that decision. Like we all kind of like, all right, what sport do we specialize in? I would say I hit that around sixth grade, seventh grade, and [00:05:30.00] for me is between baseball and swimming. And I decided it's actually better at baseball at the time. But I liked swimming better. I was better friends with the guys that swimming with and I was just playing baseball with. So I said, heck, I guess I'm going to do this thing full time. And that's when it started for me doing the four forty five a.m. practice before school and it just geared up from there. It really wasn't until my freshman year of high school that I had like this breakthrough season where it was like, OK, [00:06:00.00] that dream of being able to get a division one like college scholarship, like it's not so much a dream, like it's starting to become more of a reality. And so that was kind of the time frame there. And then, yeah, fast forward through junior senior year of high school, kept getting faster, thankfully, and started to get some looks from some different colleges looking around. And I ended up choosing the University of Delaware to go and compete for four years because honestly, [00:06:30.00] when I went on the recruiting trip there, I just felt so much at home with the other kids that were a few years older than me, but also with the coaching staff.


Jase Kraft: [00:06:40.75] Yeah,


Cory Camp: [00:06:41.11] It felt like they actually cared about me, whereas a couple other schools, they just cared about me as a swimmer. It was just a little bit different. There was like this holistic approach.


Jase Kraft: [00:06:51.82] So the way you've been kind of talking, it sounds like the people that you do sport with is very important to you. That's why you chose [00:07:00.00] swimming over baseball and stuff. How much like do you think you liked the people that you were with versus the actual sport? Like what was the breakdown of? I, I swim because I just like swimming versus I swim because I like my teammates,


Cory Camp: [00:07:20.32] Oh, I would love to say 50 50 and I'll explain why, because I think the days where I hated swimming [00:07:30.00] and didn't want to go to practice, I found that motivation and drive to go anyway because I like to the people that I was going with. So it really helped me out there. And then the days where I wasn't really loving the people around me, we were beefing for whatever reason, you know. I mean, you know how things are, especially in high school like I love the sport. So I was able to to go. And it was a fantastic disconnect, much like I would say, much like running. Right. [00:08:00.00] You get to just kind of put your head down and do your thing. And especially in something like you're not talking very much while you're actually doing the thing.


Jase Kraft: [00:08:09.16] Yeah.


Cory Camp: [00:08:10.54] You're kind of in your own space. So it gave me the best of both worlds, I guess, is what I'm trying to say there.


Jase Kraft: [00:08:17.83] Yeah, that one it kind of shifted for me, like in high school. I didn't have anybody to train with, really. So I was like all about the sport. Then I get to college and I had the great team. And [00:08:30.00] then in running we do get to talk to each other, which ends up in your on hours, on each day, on the run. You get a lot of weird conversations, but you can't really get bonds then as well. But I'm curious to know, because swimming is notorious for long practice hours, lots of time in the pool because there's no impact on your body as far as like running [00:09:00.00] or football or baseball, even you have that pounding motion where you can only do certain amounts of exercise before your body breaks down, while swimming, you're floating kind of, so like how what was your kind of practice schedule or how many hours where you spending in the pool a day or a week in high school and college?


Speaker3: [00:09:25.90] I would say, high school was definitely way more like swimming, just [00:09:30.00] swimming hours, not a ton of like dry land stuff. And that kind of broke down, I would say Monday, Wednesday, Friday were doubles. So hour practice in the mornings for those and then like a to two and a half hour practice in the afternoon, Tuesday, Thursday were usually around that two hour mark as well in the afternoons. And Saturday morning was about a sometimes like three, three and a half hour workout session, which was just like [00:10:00.00] I get I still get chills. Think of it like, yeah, that just doesn't sound great anymore. I'm glad that was in the past and that in college I think the only real difference was like we started to introduce the weight room a little bit more and it became to our mornings Monday, Wednesday, Friday, where an hour of that was weightlifting, an hour of that was swimming. Then you like did your thing during the day and then you came back for an afternoon, two hour session and they were all just strict two hours. And then [00:10:30.00] Saturdays, if you weren't competing out of me, it was longer, like either two or three hour practice. I noticed the quantity in college didn't really like we're no longer swimming for just hours and hours and hours. It was like we were way more intentional with the training at that point, which was a big difference from the club team that I came from. It was a great club team, but they were like, let's pound this yardage and just [00:11:00.00] get a ton of reps and turn the tide. And so is a nice change of pace and made going home to train, though pretty challenging.


Jase Kraft: [00:11:09.26] So what type of injuries then did you have to deal with throughout your career? Because it's different than like, you know, contact sports and in that kind of stuff?


Cory Camp: [00:11:24.29] Yeah. So I'm fortunate in some ways I had no injuries that were like anything [00:11:30.00] major, but I did have a few health problems. So my senior year of high school, as I'm getting recruited, there is one Saturday morning where I'm walking around to get back in line. We're doing sprints to finish out practice. And as I'm walking back around, I just collapse. I face on the pool deck and I completely blacked out and I was like, what the heck just happened? Everyone around me just looked like I tripped. So we went to the E.R. all these tests came [00:12:00.00] back fine. They said it was just like a freak accident, except for it kept happening again and again and again. And it kept happening to the point where about once or twice a month this random event would happen to me and I would notice my heart rate would get really high and my blood pressure would drop. I would lose vision and I lose feeling in my hands, my feet. It was it. And I went through my whole senior year, my whole freshman season with this unknown condition. And [00:12:30.00] then after my freshman season, I ended up getting surgery. And even now it was like this experimental heart surgery, essentially, where they were like, we think this is what it is.


Jase Kraft: [00:12:41.72] It could be it. We're going to put you under and the only way we're going to be able to tell is like to go through with the surgery and then we'll wake you up on the other end and say, hey, like it was good, we'll give you a thumbs up or, hey, like we were wrong. Like it wasn't what we thought it was. And, oh, you still have to recover for the next two months. So that [00:13:00.00] was like the only, I guess, quote unquote injury that I had to really deal with, which was super weird. Going through that conference meet my freshman year at the time was the fastest I had ever been. I had just won Rookie of the Year for Delaware and our conference. I was the first time that ever happened on the men's side of things. And then two weeks later, here I am in a hospital bed recovering from the surgery. I can't do any physical activity for a month. I'm like, what? What's [00:13:30.00] happening? What is going on here? That's such a different feel and world. But I was lucky to come back stronger.


Jase Kraft: [00:13:36.20] And did they was that hypothesis right for the?


Cory Camp: [00:13:42.89] Yeah. So what it was was it's called AP reentry. So you're probably familiar with your SA node starts the electrical impulse goes down and then goes to the AP node. I had certain cells that were abnormal on my AP node where they would short circuit and set it [00:14:00.00] right back up to the SA node before completing the rest of the. And because of that, the heart rhythm obviously became abnormal. And because as a result of that, they told me I didn't have a max heart rate. And the one time that they were able to measure it in a clinical setting, which was when they were doing the surgery, my heart rate was measured at three hundred and fifty beats per minute, which explains why my blood pressure would drop because there's just no. Human [00:14:30.00] heart isn't supposed to be anywhere close to that. That's like almost double what most people's max heart rate is. So it was pretty is a pretty gnarly experience I'd say.


Jase Kraft: [00:14:40.37] Yeah. So how did that like before and after training. Well I guess first let's back up. Do they know what caused that? Is it just a genetic fluke?


Cory Camp: [00:14:55.28] I think it was just a genetic fluke. They didn't have like a root cause. What [00:15:00.00] was interesting, what I kind of just discovered over time was it would only be an issue around periods of really high stress. So you could then like set it, set my body to it like a timer and be like, all right. Well, Corey just found out is like grandmother passed away from cancer, like, give it 24 hours and like, he's going to collapse on the pool deck, you know, the very stressful event. Final exams. And it wasn't [00:15:30.00] until afterwards I was like, oh, maybe I should learn how to, like, manage the stress in my life. Causing me a lot of physical limitations, right now? It would be a good idea to get familiar with this.


Jase Kraft: [00:15:44.59] Sure, yeah. So what was that then like before and after? Because I've kind of gone through not nothing to that extent, but I, I was having trouble finishing [00:16:00.00] races my like junior senior year of college. Then my fifth year I we found out kind of what was the cause of it. But I still have this almost like trauma from like not believing that I can do that. So I'm just curious to know if there is any after effects with like, hey, you're cured now, but they still that like, well, am I?


Cory Camp: [00:16:29.72] Yeah, [00:16:30.00] no, and I think now I've been fortunate. It's been a number of years at this point. I'm trying to do quick math, like seven years at least since I had the surgery. So definitely like right away, I was very hesitant to do a lot of things. Like one of the things I found that triggered it a lot was holding my breath for an extended period of time. Unfortunately, as a distance swimmer, like it doesn't really come into play. But, you [00:17:00.00] know, college coaches can be a little bit crazy. Sometimes they're like, we're going, your going to do 50 meters underwater, like holding your breath, like no breath, like go. And I'm like, I can't do that. And they're like, no, like it's a mental challenge. Like, you need to do it. And I'm like, no, no, no. Like, I'm telling you, if I put my body in, like, this hypoxic state, like it's going to trigger this response and then I won't be able to practice the rest of the day. So, like, I understand the mental [00:17:30.00] part of it, but I'm telling you, I have physical limitations. So then on the other side of things, it was like really hesitant to even try those things because I knew it was triggers and the past. But I think. Just like anything, you just have to kind of like put your toe and see that it's OK, like nothing happens and you just like slowly test it out and then over time, you can keep testing and keep testing it. And that's the only [00:18:00.00] way you're going to be able to tell your your mind that, hey, it's it's going to be OK. Like, you can finish this race. You can hold your breath for 50 meters or longer. Yeah. It's tough, though.


Jase Kraft: [00:18:12.81] Yeah, you don't have to get it all back at once, though, and I think that's kind of like your main point there was you don't have to come back the next day and say, I'm cured, I'm back to normal. It's more like, OK, let's test what I can do little by little rather than, [00:18:30.00] yeah, I'm going to go, you know, hold my breath for the whole length, maybe to 30 meters or 40 meters, and then work your way into something that you should be able to do for it.


Cory Camp: [00:18:41.61] Yeah, there's there is no like I wouldn't win a metal like break a record for do it, you know, like going the full 50. So there is no incentive there where I would feel a little bit more laid back and this approach of like let's just test it out. And I think that's, I mean, I [00:19:00.00] see it now in life a lot with people that I work with. It's like we get really, really scared when we think about something that's like so far out of our comfort zone, whether it's coming back from an injury or just in general life. That we are paralyzed in action and we just don't take any action at all. Really. Like this fellow state that we're all after as just human beings, we want to perform at optimal as possible. It occurs [00:19:30.00] for about like five percent out of our current comfort zone, like we did some sort of challenge to simulate, like, OK, we have to overreach here and perform, but that's how we grow. And if we do that enough times, then that thing that was once five percent out of your comfort zone is now with it. And you can keep making strides that way. So just be very intentional. All right. Let's intentionally overreach here and there. I mean, you see it, you know, [00:20:00.00] from running to.


Jase Kraft: [00:20:01.08] Yeah, yeah. So what about like you talk about intentionally overreaching and I think athletes in general are very used to this kind of thinking because every every workout is essentially that. Right. It's overreaching your body. So then you can recover better now. And swimming there tends to be a lot of like overreaching too [00:20:30.00] much where you can't recover for the next session or the next day or in the meat. And I know there's I don't know who which like coach or whatever it was, but there is a swimming coach that was like coming out with like, hey, we don't need to swim eight hours a day. We can do the same amount, just more intense for three to four or what have you and [00:21:00.00] get the same results. So I'm curious to like, what was your recovery routine when you were doing those three, the four hour training bouts per day in high school and college?


Cory Camp: [00:21:18.59] Definitely, in college, a nap was so needed in between those days that we were doing like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, when we had the two hour morning, two hour afternoon [00:21:30.00] and like a nap was like my saving grace, and even if it was like just 30 minutes, that was a key thing for me until like it was almost like this mental reset. Right. Like, I can trick my body into be like. You're fresh again, like you just got a night's sleep, like practice this morning, like, yeah, let's go do it in the afternoon. Aside from that, I think I was just very intentional with [00:22:00.00] what I was eating when I was eating it. Being from the distance background, I needed to fuel my body like freaking crazy and make sure that I was staying adequately fueled. So, I mean, I was shoot, I was waking up every practice. It's like 4:00 in the morning and I'm trying to eat some fruit snacks and a cliff bar and a banana before I go work out. Most people are like, that's too much food. I'm like, well, [00:22:30.00] I know I'm going to need some fuel in my body. And then afterwards it was like another quick thousand calorie breakfast and then take a nap, go to classes, get like a fifteen hundred calorie lunch, hope that digest's in time for afternoon practice and then dinner and oh my God like that would just be like three thousand plus calories, like just shoving stuff your face and it's crazy. [00:23:00.00]


Cory Camp: [00:23:00.34] Like I could not put on weight during those days and I was eating like six to seven thousand calories a day.


Jase Kraft: [00:23:06.67] Wow.


Cory Camp: [00:23:07.84] But that just goes to show like how much the capacity that workload was required, that fuel, you know what I mean? So that was probably like the extent of how intentional I was with the recovery. I think my coaches were very good at understanding, OK. Like a few days that week, we're going to really push it, but we're also going to have this balance [00:23:30.00] of like we really need to take that foot off the gas a little bit on a Thursday afternoon or something like that to really rebound for Friday and Saturday so that you're finishing the week strong with nothing. You know, nothing is worse than finishing that last trading session of the week. And it just so beat up where the only thing you want to do is crawl back to your dorm room and sleep for five hours and you have no social life. Like, how are you talking to anyone else? [00:24:00.00]


Jase Kraft: [00:24:00.19] Exactly. 


Cory Camp: [00:24:01.67] Sleeping your weekends away.


Jase Kraft: [00:24:04.21] Yeah, at least as of right now, we can talk to my teammates while I work out.


Cory Camp: [00:24:09.55] Exactly.


Jase Kraft: [00:24:10.96] But now I know I know the feeling. I've done several hundred plus mile weeks of running and you just like you don't do anything besides eat, sleep and yell at that time. Do your homework for college and go to bed.


Cory Camp: [00:24:29.21] Yeah. Class somewhere [00:24:30.00] in there. I think my favorite time of year was Delaware had this little mini master around January. We called it winter session and two out of my four years I didn't take a class. So quite literally I had to be on campus, but my only job was to swim and it was beautiful. Like I would ever wake up in the morning, swim, come back, crush some food, crush now, watch a bunch of Netflix and like, go back and repeat [00:25:00.00] the afternoon. And it was just having a good life.


Jase Kraft: [00:25:02.95] Did you see your performance increase during that time? Like, was that some of your best seen as well?


Cory Camp: [00:25:10.30] Definitely. And I think a lot of it was because I just there's one less thing focus on right, well in this case, like five other things. We usually are taken four to five classes at the same time.


Jase Kraft: [00:25:21.13] Yeah.


Cory Camp: [00:25:22.30] So it was just something nice about, all right, I could just single track my mind. It's just performance focused [00:25:30.00] right now. Like, how can I perform as fast as I can in the pool as consistently as I can.


Jase Kraft: [00:25:35.98] Yeah, I see this with college athletes a lot where they'll go to college and then they want to get involved with everything and do their sport and join all these clubs and and get their homework done and stuff. And then they never reach their full potential because they're spread too thin around everything. And I know, like, [00:26:00.00] hacky sack club doesn't take a lot of energy, but it does take focus, time and energy where maybe you could be sleeping or now you're not because they're in this other organizations and stuff so. 


Cory Camp: [00:26:18.64] Yeah, I think that's a really good lesson, right is understanding. I mean that's something I really had to learn going into entrepreneur space. Like I want to say yes to freaking everything, OK? [00:26:30.00] I love helping people. I love connecting with people. But if I say yes to everything, I have no time and I'm like poorly managing my own schedule, my own energy. And now we're facing burnout. So, I mean, once I was able to identify, like, OK, what's important to me is me being asked to do this in alignment with that. Yes. No, it's a no. No matter how great of an opportunity might be, like I need to say no for my own, like long term wellbeing. And it's very similar [00:27:00.00] to those days of sport, right. When you obviously like if you prioritized running. And for me, like when I prioritize swimming, it was always looking at these decisions of like, well, I know Tuesday night has a phenomenal bar deal, but I have Wednesday morning practice. So it would be really counterproductive for me based off of what I want right now for me to go and say yes to my friends and go to the bar on Tuesday and get three [00:27:30.00] hours of sleep and go to swim practice. Now, occasionally I would do that, but like obviously more than 80 percent of the time it was like, all right, now that's kind of way that's going to be there in the off season, right now it's like ride mode. We got to got to hit it. 


Jase Kraft: [00:27:49.99] Yeah. So that leads me to you. You mentioned entrepreneur journey and post collegiate life, and I think [00:28:00.00] there's a hard transition for athletes, especially when they are all in on their sport. What comes next, when they aren't going to the pros, but they're at a point where they like their sport is just, for me, it was like, I don't want to do it if I'm not competing at a high level and just like wasn't interested to me. And I know that's somewhat of your story, too. So could you just kind of go into, like, what happened [00:28:30.00] from Cory in college to Cory out of college over those next like 18 months?


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Cory Camp: [00:30:05.11] Yeah, I mean, that was a really rough transition looking back on it. So my last of a race in college was the sixteen fifty and it was actually slower than I was my junior year of high school and it was the worst ever performance, like worst ever placing and performance I had ever had at a conference. And that was it. I graduated. I was like, oh, OK. And so as I'm starting to process the [00:30:30.00] end of that, I was like, well, obviously that didn't end way I wanted to. I'm starting to apply to physical therapy schools because that was like always the dream, and I just was under this naïve assumption that people in these schools would really care more about my swimming accomplishments than my classroom ones. I quickly found out that no one really cares how fast you are if you have a two point nine GPA. So that dream shattered pretty quickly. And [00:31:00.00] I found myself looking at sales jobs, which was something that I never thought I would be doing, but I wanted to make money and become, quote unquote, successful as quickly as possible and took a sales job refinancing mortgages. And it wasn't that I didn't like working hard, I just didn't like working hard there, like it was for, like, all the wrong reasons.


Cory Camp: [00:31:24.22] So that only lasts about eight to nine months. I got back into my roots of some coaching, became [00:31:30.00] a head, some coach at a country club, and from there I grew a year round program, but they didn't have started. I started that up and became their system fitness director to kind of just like fill the time. And then covid. It was like, all right. Well, I just asked myself this question of like, what kind of impacts do I want to have beyond the country club bubble that I was working at? Nothing wrong with the bubble there. But  I wanted a larger impact than [00:32:00.00] just the one club that was very exclusive to become a member. So that got me into the podcasting of the Athletic Mindset podcast. And then it got me into this performance coaching of working with former athletes to help them just better understand themselves and increase their performance through that. So I, I draw on my movement background, but I take a lot of mindset stuff into that line of work, too. It's pretty fun. It's [00:32:30.00] honestly something that I really look forward to every day now.


Jase Kraft: [00:32:32.95] Yeah, that's awesome. So I know like if you read your website in your bio you go know. Quote unquote, fit to fat over the course of the year. Why do you think, like as an athlete, I mean, obviously, you know how to take care of your body, you know, physical activity is important. Why do you think that that year causes [00:33:00.00] you to gain those 40 pounds?


Cory Camp: [00:33:03.72] Well, I think what really started it was the way that it ended for me. So I didn't want anything to do with swimming for a while. And even on a deeper level, like I didn't want anything to do with the distance image that I had for so long, I struggled to put on weight. So I was like, wow, screw swimming. I'm going to bulk up when I get like, super strong because I had [00:33:30.00] coaches. And maybe your strength coaches were the same way where they were basically telling you not to lift heavy in fear of you like becoming too much as a runner. That was pretty much the same thing. Like I had coaches at one point telling me, like I shouldn't even do bicep curls, like I should just do air curls. It's like you're like, I don't know about that. So I threw myself into the weight room and threw myself into bulking. And I had really no idea what [00:34:00.00] I was doing from like bulking stages things, my background and my degrees and exercise science with a minor in strength, conditioning and coaching science. So I knew the the science of like the actual lifting portion that wasn't the problem. Like, I got really, really strong, really fast. But the problem was I just had no idea what I was doing with that side of things. So I like to call it a dirty Bulc. I blinked and I was like [00:34:30.00] one ninety five. I was like, wow, I never thought I would be close to two hundred. Something's got to change. I didn't like the way I was moving. I didn't like the way I looked. And I was like, well talk about weird like body image, you know, balance. Right. Like I didn't like the way I looked when I was really skinny, but I was this awesome performer in the pool. Yeah. I didn't like the way I was at one ninety five. I got to find some happy medium like I started the journey of cutting.


Jase Kraft: [00:34:59.76] Do you [00:35:00.00] think that that would have been different if you would have ended on a good note in college?


Cory Camp: [00:35:06.78] It might have been less drastic? I think I think I would have processed it a little bit better. I related a lot of times to like a bad breakup. Right? Like if you and your significant other just split ways on, like, mutual terms that you just agree that it's like and you've both fully believe that, then it's probably going to be a little bit of a weird [00:35:30.00] transition, but it's not going to be one that knocks you way off course. But if it's like this. Oh, yeah, like she absolutely hates you or he absolutely hates you and like, it's ripped away from you, it's going to be a little bit more challenging to come to terms like who are you? And that was this question that I really had to start ask myself, like, who am I beyond this swimming like? Who am I beyond this athlete? Because for [00:36:00.00] 18 years at that point, I was put I hand out and introduce myself and say, I'm Cory, campus swimmer. So nice to meet you. Yeah. What do you do?


Jase Kraft: [00:36:11.13] Your final race. Did you ever think about like life after swimming or was it something that you just kind of like put out of your mind and then it happened, or did you ever, like, prepare mentally for that kind of breakup, if you will, beforehand?


Cory Camp: [00:36:29.44] Yeah, I [00:36:30.00] think I had, like, talked about it. And to be fair, at that point in my career, I was telling myself I was ready to be done, like I was tired of the practices and tired all of this, that. But I think it was just one of those like very surface level things, and I wasn't really actually like doing any deep work to say, OK, like, OK, what's what's going on beyond this? Who are you going to be? So I think if [00:37:00.00] I had done that sooner and sort of asking the right questions, talking to the right people sooner, it definitely would have made it a little less of a drastic turn of events.


Jase Kraft: [00:37:11.27] Yeah, OK, so now that you're like kind of through the transition, I guess, like what from your athletic career do you take into your everyday life so you can still be [00:37:30.00] that same person that you were but not have the swimming like, you know, competitive practice? And I guess so.


Cory Camp: [00:37:42.26] Yeah, it's a loaded question. I think the thing that I take the most honestly is this approach of it's never really like a destination that we're trying to get to. And it shouldn't be, but it should be. This daily journey of just growing [00:38:00.00] and looking at each day is this unique opportunity to be able to grow, expand, whether that is from an educational standpoint. So I'm reading a ton, whether it is from a career standpoint. So I'm making sure I'm doing the right things, my business, to move the needle forward in that sense or just my own personal life and my physical personal life to like I still love [00:38:30.00] a good, unique challenge. Running has been a great thing that I've picked up in the past year with covid that the goals shifted very quickly from let's squat over four hundred pounds to let's run a marathon. So I've run two in the past year, just kind of on my own figuring it out and I love it. It's a really unique challenge, but it's really at the core taking that growth mindset. And what I approached [00:39:00.00] every day of some practice with, like, how can I get a little bit better? What can I work on? And starting to realize, like I am more than just my physical body. Like, it's it doesn't have to define me, but it is going to be in it. I prioritize my health and I never want to be someone that someone looks at and says, I don't believe that you swam at the level that have that I want to be like always and I want to express myself through my physical [00:39:30.00] body. So movements obviously a key point of that.


Jase Kraft: [00:39:35.27] Yeah. And like you said, they like you. You're trying new ways to kind of push your body, because I think that's like at the core, that's what I found was with my transition outside of college, it was like, OK, I'm done running, I can still run, but I'm never going to run at the four [00:40:00.00] ten mile like I was in college. So I left with a lot of work. And so that didn't really make sense for me. So I picked up a new sport. I'm just now I do obstacle course racing, so it's like I'm still using my endurance background, but there's so much more to it that I can enjoy it again. And I'm not trying to like, compare myself to how I was in college, because I think that's the danger [00:40:30.00] of continuing to do your sport after college is you look at, oh, I was a minute faster than I was now.


Cory Camp: [00:40:41.03] Yeah, it's it's funny when I'm doing high rocks in a few weeks on a super fun experience. I haven't done that yet, but it'll be a good time. And to to your point, like I tried master swimming something about a year and a half out of it. And I think [00:41:00.00] the biggest blessing was the meters were actually in short course meters during the time of the year that like I had tried it. So like for I never swam short course was like college is always short, courtyard's. So I was like, this is actually kind of fun. Like I have no idea what these times even mean. There's just, I could do myself more harm than good and like look up and convert them into more metrics that I understand what it's like. I'm just not going to do that. This is to [00:41:30.00] me this is more fun because like the last time I swam short course meters was when I was 18 years old in summer league. So at twenty two I guess at this point like twenty three and a half or so it was like well I better be faster than I was 18, even if I'm not training the same and I was so that was like super kind of exciting again, to keep things fresh. And I want to switch over to the yards again. I'm good guys like, thanks. I'm going to take a break again for this.


Jase Kraft: [00:41:59.14] Yeah, that's [00:42:00.00] awesome. So if you could do the transition from sport to no sport or maybe that's not the right word because you're still doing sport. But yeah, collegiate sport to out collegiate again, what would you change or what would you do differently in your experience?


Cory Camp: [00:42:29.86] I'd plug my best, I [00:42:30.00] would hire myself and I, I would wish I did. The only thing I would change would just be like. The advice of In fact, if you can realize that and the faster you can realize that, the soon take a second to just pause and think it's OK to be a beginner again, it's OK to take a second and just admit that you don't have all the right answers and that's perfectly normal. er you're going to be [00:43:00.00] able to find the answer that you're really looking for, because the human ailments are just so quick to just. All right, let's just move on. Like, let's just rapid fire to the next thing. And if we're not taking time to really pause and process, then like you're going to have that lasting trauma to your point earlier of an injury as it's going to linger for longer and longer than it has to.


Jase Kraft: [00:43:27.41] Awesome and well, we're getting towards the end [00:43:30.00] of our time here, so I want to let you tell you a little bit more about your business. You kind of alluded to it, but what do you help or who do you help? How do you help them and where can people find you?


Cory Camp: [00:43:44.84] Yeah. Oh, one Jase. Just to say thank you for the time today. This is a lot of fun going down memory lane, a little bit of swim stuff. So I appreciate it. As far as the business itself, its personal performance coaching for former athletes. And [00:44:00.00] what I like to say is I help them just light up the scoreboard of life. We take a really holistic health approach where we're looking at different things that fall into the body category, sort of looking at sleeping patterns, looking at nutrition, looking at your physical fitness. But we're also taking a look at your mind and your soul. What's your ability to lock into this present moment? How good are you at letting go of stuff in the past? Like what's your self-love? How excited are you from a day to day life [00:44:30.00] standpoint? So I really help them just answer where they're at currently in those categories and be really strategic in finding ways to improve. As far as people can find me at my website that whole I it's nine areas of focus. I actually have a free hand out for your audience that's called Your Life Scorecard. That could be found on [00:45:00.00] my website so check it out. It's a 10 day little guided course. I coached through nine different areas and see how you can improve them. But yeah man, I appreciate the time.


Jase Kraft: [00:45:11.96] Awesome, yeah, I've I've seen kind of different versions of those scorecards. And it's a good exercise to go through and to say  I evaluate myself here on this part of my life, like, where do I want to [00:45:30.00] be? We don't always take the time to think of that ourselves. It's good to have an outside perspective. So I appreciate what you do. And if anybody is listening and they want to get in contact, I'll have all those links to Cory's website, his Instagram profile, that kind of stuff in the show, so you can check him out there as well. So, Corey, thanks for being on the show.


Cory Camp: [00:45:55.85] Just like I said thank you. This is a lot of fun, man.


Jase Kraft: [00:45:59.66] Awesome. [00:46:00.00]


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Cory Camp

Athlete, Coach

Cory grew up a swimmer and that consumed his life for 18 years until graduation day, whereas many of us, he found himself kind of at a loss of what to do, he found himself 40 pounds heavier than his athletic weight and overall not prepared for life after sport. He certainly got back on track now and works with former athletes to tap into their primal athletic mindset to create the life that they can be proud of.