I have Alex Weber on the show today. He is an American ninja warrior, a world record holder, five times TED Speaker and one of the youngest coaches ever to be awarded the US lacrosse coach of the year honors. I believe he has a pretty impressive lacrosse career as well.
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Jase Kraft: [00:00:32.11] Hey, [00:00:30.00] everybody, I am Jase Kraft, the host of Science of Sports Recovery podcast, and today on the show, I have Alex Weber he is an American ninja warrior, a world record holder, five times TED Speaker and one of the youngest coaches ever to be awarded and the US lacrosse coach of the year honors. I believe he has a pretty impressive lacrosse career as well.
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Jase Kraft: [00:01:28.06] Great to have you on the show, man.
Alex Weber: [00:01:29.77] Jase, t [00:01:30.00]hank you so much man, this is awesome.
Jase Kraft: [00:01:32.71] Awesome. Well, I want to like lacrosse as kind of a unique sports opportunity for America. So I want to get into, like, how did you come to lacrosse as your sport of choice?
Alex Weber: [00:01:45.22] Great question, man. And it's it's so dear to me to the point of I rewatch games televised because I'm like, well, relax rad, I'm such a nerd with it. I love it. So [00:02:00.00] I started playing as just a kid because my older brother, I'm an accident kid. My older brother's nine years older. I just did everything. exactly it is. And so he played hockey lacrosse, I played hockey and lacrosse. And, you know, you're a kid. You don't really think about it. One thing that was fortunate was my area was really good in the lacrosse. Oh, just the coaches were all pretty dialed and came from that category, our area at the time, lacrosse has exploded across [00:02:30.00] the nation, in the world. But at that time, you're probably one of like five kind of hotbeds for it. So it was just something that I did. And, you know, what I share with people a lot is during that time in middle school was kind of shifting in it. I was getting bullied a lot at school. Like, I just my siblings had gone off to college. I just didn't really have a strong sense of being with people. And I was getting bullied at school. And, you know, my dad is going to be listening because he's very supportive and he's you know, we [00:03:00.00] had to find a balance and we did later. But in middle school, it was tough because he is very intense and there was a big drop off between perfection and then everything else. So lacrosse was this was the first avenue that entered my life. And it's a credit to Paul Kirk Kitara, who was the high school coach who came down to a middle school practice, watch the practice and [00:03:30.00] literally pulled me aside. I was like, I think this could be something in your life. And I tell people that because whether you're a leader or whether you're an athlete, it's just these moments can literally change your entire path and who you see yourself us and what you do. So that was one of those moments.
Jase Kraft: [00:03:46.21] Yeah, up to that point.
Alex Weber: [00:03:48.55] Up to that point, did you see that in yourself or was that just like out of left field? And you're like,
Alex Weber: [00:03:54.97] I was just playing sports. And if anything, I was really [00:04:00.00] passionate about it. I mean, I you name the sport. I played it, played soccer, you know, played hockey, played the lacrosse, played tennis. I was in chess tournaments because I showed potential with chess. I'm not playing with you. I got a chess trophy at my parents house. But I was really into tennis and I was that was going to be my part. I was obsessive with it. I was doing the whole junior racket, went down to Florida. But then Coach Cark was [00:04:30.00] like, hey, I think you'd be good at this. And I was like, all right, let's do it. And really from that moment on, I was so obsessed dream everything was to do it. Yeah.
Jase Kraft: [00:04:45.58] Yeah. Awesome, was that like the turning point or was that kind of a range of time? Because like for me I'm distance running background and I have a [00:05:00.00] similar like there is one point in my life where like this is kind of the turning point, but there are several things leading up to it. And afterwards I just kind of reinforce it.
Alex Weber: [00:05:11.53] That's a good question. I mean, freshman year I did run cross-country just because some friends were like, it'll be great. The joke that we had, though, was just like not a lot of variety and practice. We're going to run, go, go, go. But I have a lot of admiration for running just because there's a lot of nuances [00:05:30.00] in it that I don't know if everyone sees on the surface just a beautiful, beautiful, very pure sport, but when I was in eighth grade, so you asked if it was like a singular or extended great question because the singular was him pulling me up when I got pulled up to play in high school, the JV team, when I was in eighth grade, I was very mediocre with it, not really great. But then my freshman year, I started on [00:06:00.00] the hockey and lacrosse team and I did really well. And that's what I was like, it was just such a hard contrast, there's a longer answer, so I won't get rambling with it, but like identity is everything and my identity, my freshman form is very different than my identity. My freshman winter, because hockey came in my life and I went from being this insecure, bullied freshman kid to being a starter on the [00:06:30.00] school team at our high school. And so I was like, well, let me do more of this stuff. This is way better. Well, like, I get more friends if I score goals, like, let's go. So then I was just hockey lacrosse and I was so all in.
Speaker1: [00:06:47.11] Yeah, yeah. How many times in your athletic career did you doubt yourself as an athlete and be like this? I am not going to make it.
Alex Weber: [00:07:01.19] These [00:07:00.00] are good questions, Jase. The only time I ever really doubted myself as an athlete was in that period of finishing up how to cross, being told I was a former athlete hanging up the cleats and just kind of like, I guess that chapter of competitive sports is over. And so one of the trillion reasons I'm thankful for American Ninja Warrior was I feel like I saw the dark side and maybe that's drastic, [00:07:30.00] but like I saw my other life of not being an athlete and who I was in that, Not for me. From, like, how I take care of myself to what I eat, what I drink to what I do, how I act in the world. And it's just I did it.
Jase Kraft: [00:07:44.10] How long was that period for you?
Alex Weber: [00:07:46.89] Where I really was probably at my low in terms of health and wellness and fitness was probably I mean, now it's a while ago, but, you know, it was in like my late 20s, [00:08:00.00] mid 20s, when it was in that chapter where like, sports end. And I think this happened to a lot of people, but your hard, your go hard energy keeps going. And if you don't find an outlet that can show itself in some dicey ways. But so American Ninja Warrior, that's one of the reasons I'm thankful for is it pushes me to do things more athletic than I could do. And that's, I think, something that I'm very like, not protective, but I [00:08:30.00] don't want to lose it again. I want to like, lose the orb, like, I feel like, I like, got the energy orb and I like I don't lose it.
Jase Kraft: [00:08:39.96] I think we we actually had talked about kind of this period after college sport with Cory in the last episode because that's kind of his story to and that's my story too. And I think a lot of college athletes deal with this. I'm curious to know for you, [00:09:00.00] was it like, if you can think back to before you actually stopped the sport for lacrosse, were you ready to be done like where you kind of burnt out of the sport? Because I see it, I see that happen a lot. But then I see for you it could have been just you're done?
Alex Weber: [00:09:24.42] Yeah, no, I mean, there interesting questions. I think what is tough about college [00:09:30.00] sports, I'm kind of like transport back there. I never lost my love of lacrosse. I will not call it grind, but the structure of playing college lacrosse is a lot, structure of playing income sports is a lot. And if you like, our senior year was underperforming those last, well, the writing's on the wall for your last [00:10:00.00] month, it can kind of where you know you're not going to make playoffs, but you still got a month. That part I was ready to take. All I needed was an off season because I remember I moved to L.A. and I started playing lacrosse a month later and I was like, this is great. But yeah, I mean, you're one question to ask about was doubting athleticism. And I think one thing that I've also realized was. I thought [00:10:30.00] of myself as a certain type of athlete, meaning like. I'm good at lacrosse, I'm good at hockey. Those are a certain type of sport and I even probably thought, you know, like, oh, I bet I could learn basketball or I could learn football. It's pretty similar but like, I would walk by and see people doing flips and see people doing all these handstands and swinging things. And I'm like, I'm not that type of an athlete ike, I can quick give me a ball, give me a stick. I can do that. But that type of sport, to [00:11:00.00] me, that is not how I was brought on this earth. And that was when really cool American Ninja Warrior is to now in my heart, know that I am that type of an athlete, is I think, encouraging for people to just know that, to just question don't take some things as hard facts and with your brain saying it.
Jase Kraft: [00:11:20.45] Yeah. So what kind of like physical changes did you have to make going from across play to American Ninja Warrior?
Alex Weber: [00:11:28.37] Yeah, and it's one we're like, [00:11:30.00] I'm in it still. There are some, like, inarguable things that you have to build, and I'm still building very much so like grip strength, like that's a no fly zone. Like if you can't hang, you know, it's so learnable. It's a learnable thing, like find a ball or find something to hang on and hang. Like, it's super learnable. But I will say one of them was just like the comfortability [00:12:00.00] of being able to swing on things. And how your body moves with your feet not on the ground is something I'm continually learning and I also think in this kind of goes into recovery.
Alex Weber: [00:12:11.42] One thing now and I want to respect NBA's of being an American Ninja Warrior, where is in the past I would be in the seasons before performance, which I really know it's there's a lot there, but usually I'll be very intense for three to six months and then they're not intense for [00:12:30.00] like six months. And what this but what ends up happening is because it's such an intense sport on your body, it's more intense than any other sport ever done in your body because you're swinging and leaping and grabbing. It's a lot of like you do need to, like, build up to certain levels. Yeah. So that's, I think part of what I say, like, I feel like I have the energy orb now and I don't want to let it go,you got to like start back in the beginning and end all up again.
Jase Kraft: [00:12:58.97] Sure, yeah. So [00:13:00.00] you brought up like it is hard on your body. I mean even like lacrosse and hockey is a very different than like, say, an endurance sport where you're just running this doing the same thing for hours at a time. And it's not something that's going to happen to you for an injury, but it's something that you just try to push through. So when it comes to like lacrosse or American Ninja Warrior, like what are you doing intentionally to prevent [00:13:30.00] injuries? And so you don't like accidentally, you know, throw out your shoulder or break your hand, which I know is your story as well.
Alex Weber: [00:13:39.89] Yeah. I mean, I think two short things. Three one is you do got to know where you're at and and do things like if you don't do enough, if your shoulders aren't strong and you try to tart cherry, you know, from one [00:14:00.00] ball to another, that's seven feet and you haven't built up that foundation. That's just a reckless thing to do. So I think what we also as athletes all have that quality of like push it right, said it, go for it. So, I mean, that delicate balance, which is tough and especially some nights we really wrapped up in your training trying to keep that watchful eye of, like, all right, I'm pushing and growing and expanding or am I being reckless? Like, it's tough [00:14:30.00] to sometimes navigate that would be one is just making sure you're really in tune and honest about the level that you're at. Two is warming up, which is still something I have to challenge myself to do because I get there and I'm like, let's just go. And I'm like, nothing goes well, when you just do that, no one would be warming up. And, you know, I hate even saying this, but there is a little bit of chance where, like, this is a creative sport. It's a dynamic sport. You're trying to was a lot of [00:15:00.00] trying. And unfortunately, I don't even like saying it as we put this out there, why people get dinged up. And it's not because of anything except this is a dynamic experiential show push boundaries type of sport. Yeah. And that happens.
Jase Kraft: [00:15:21.23] Yeah. And in the same token, you got to understand you can't prepare for everything and things are going to happen and that [00:15:30.00] are outside of your control. And it's like just getting your body to a point where it's going to recover faster when and if you do get dinged. And then just being, like you said, smart about putting yourself in the situations where, you know, you're not going to, hurt yourself, like if you've never done that hangs or a pull ups or have no arm strength and then starting like this, going from bar to bar, like you're more [00:16:00.00] likely to get hurt rather than building up the strain first. Now, how do you know, like when you're ready to take it to the next level?
Alex Weber: [00:16:09.34] Again, I think that's a great question. I think it's a watchful eye or like because you do need to, like, push yourself and try things and get to that wall of doubt and fear. But I do think there's like earned opportunities, like if you've been doing foundational strength and swinging on things [00:16:30.00] and you've nailed it at three feet, then to go through five feet is not a crazy thing to do. If you think it's three feet is in your bones and must act, that's not a crazy thing to do. I think it's just being like really understand, and you have like, OK, this is the strength level. So there's three kind of like different pieces of it. There's one is strength. Two is athleticism like strength. Just being able to hang the muscles can handle it, two his athleticism, being able to, like, move [00:17:00.00] your body in fluid ways that it needs. And then three is like intellect and and then knowing the sport and having knowledge of it. So I think also just knowing where you're at in the journey, like I think my knowledge is one that I thought I a pretty good knowledge, and I realized this year, like, no, I just thought I had the knowledge I didn't actually have push. Yeah,
Jase Kraft: [00:17:29.16] Yeah, that's a good point. [00:17:30.00] I don't think many people think of that as like having the knowledge of the sport is so important, especially when you are new to a sport and you're learning. I know this best example I can think of is like in basketball, where you are moving about the court and there's, you know, alleys and, you know, lines that people are going to run and cut and stuff and putting your body in a position where you're not going to get run over by the center or, you know, stuff like that or [00:18:00.00] by your own teammate. I played with many, I play some like just city league stuff. And you get some guys that have like never played basketball before and they're out there like always getting hurt or hurting people because they're like so unpredictable, you know,
Alex Weber: [00:18:19.80] Unpredictable is a good way to put it. Yeah, I mean, you're right. I mean, especially like even the Ninja Warrior Gyms are very like we just kind of reminded me of, like, first off, [00:18:30.00] anyone listening, type in Ninja Warrior gym in your zip code and there's going to be one within an hour that's like so exciting and cool with how much the sport has grown and go check it out. I guarantee you they'll be blown away at how encouraging and positive and welcoming everyone is. So that's where I'm going to start with that. But I'll also say it's overwhelming because everything is new. And like I remember when I would first go, I'd be like, I don't even know where to stand. Like where do I stand? Like I'm in the way? Am I on the way? What is going [00:19:00.00] on? But like, you know, it's just like everything else, like we're saying, you just keep showing up and it starts making more and more sense.
Jase Kraft: [00:19:08.04] Yeah. So with American Ninja Warrior, most people see, you know, kind of the full season, once a year type of deal, but they don't understand there's competitions outside of that as well. Can you talk to a little bit about like what is a season or a year look for, look [00:19:30.00] like for, you know, Ninja Warrior? If somebody wanted to do this, like, what opportunities are out there for them to compete in more than just on TV?
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Alex Weber: [00:21:05.30] So there are independent links and I've done some competitions in them. But then every gym also kind of has their community and culture and competitions as well. So, you know, I've done some competition the, I haven't really done, the league though I made this year, because it seems fun and they're run very well [00:21:30.00] and people really commit a lot of themselves to make sure they're good. But I've done competitions at gyms and they're fun. You know, I never really came to a sport that like I never did, like gymnastics or swimming. It feels very much like a meet versus like a game, just like everyone's there waiting for your time. And, you know, but the short answer to your question is there's a ton of opportunities and even just the weekly adult open [00:22:00.00] gym or class at that local Ninja Warrior Gym, I've gone to so many of those, especially like traveling around, they're awesome. They're so fun. It is an adult jungle gym, like at its core, it's an adult jungle gym and so it's really fun,
Jase Kraft: [00:22:18.06] Do like, say and most of the adult open like classes is that you go there and there's somebody leading you through different obstacles, [00:22:30.00] or is it just like here, some obstacles. Go try what you want.
Alex Weber: [00:22:33.61] No, there's both. There's both. I mean, there's classes and there's open gyms.
Alex Weber: [00:22:37.80] So the classes are obviously run and the open gyms, usually they kind of go concurrently. I think a lot of gym have like class for an hour and a half and then open gym, but with. All right, if you come and I will say this will come with humility and just like ask somebody, hey, what do I do? People is so encouraging and supportive, and especially the coach who works at the gym, [00:23:00.00] like they going to get you on something and this is a beautiful moment. I guarantee you, if you're listen to this and you're like, I'm thinking about it, I'm saw it, I think it could be cool. I guarantee you're going to go to it. It's going to be overwhelming. You're not going to want to get an obstacle. You're going to get on it and you're going to fail. And then you're going to want to stop. And everyone's like, keep at it and you're going to go you're going to fail, you're going to go and you fail and then you're going to get it. And when that happens and it happens, every single person, you can see this moment in them. And it's so beautiful. I'm getting the chills with it. [00:23:30.00] It just unlocks this truth like oh wait, I didn't think I could do that, but now I just did it. And it's so cool.
Jase Kraft: [00:23:41.04] Totally. Totally. Yeah. I got into an obstacle course racing and it's like American Ninja except extended endurance.
Alex Weber: [00:23:52.00] So, cool.
Jase Kraft: [00:23:55.41] Yeah, it was, it was the same way. So they like spartan, [00:24:00.00] if you fail you have to do burpees. But then there's these other brands where you go until you complete the obstacle. And if you don't, then you lose like your pro status or whatever. So I got to try multiple obstacles at a time. And it was like, yeah, the first two, like, they don't look as hard as they are, you know, even in an American Ninja Warrior, you see some people fail, you know, like how on earth do they do that, you know, but everything is harder when you're [00:24:30.00] actually doing that when it looks. But it is fun when you actually get that accomplishment and stuff. But there's some other things I want to talk about. So we're going to transition into that. But if you are listening at this point, you're like, hey, I want to check out some obstacles or American Ninja warrior style on training like Alex said looks ninja warrior gym up in your zip code or radius and you'll find something there. So I [00:25:00.00] want to get into your injury. I believe you broke your hand about a year ago or so. And how did you first of all, what happened there? How did how did that happen? And then what was your recovery journey like?
Alex Weber: [00:25:17.88] Yeah, I mean, there's factually what happened, and then there's like, OK, why did it happen? And I think both important part of actually what happened is I was training [00:25:30.00] where he got postpone from its initial shoot day because of covid. And we all at that time didn't know we thought it might be two weeks. Right. So it was basically like stay at it. So I went in your training and my best trainings I ever done. And it was you know, I think that was probably going through a little bit of just like that energy. Right. I'm crushing it right now. And this is important takeaways is and it's something I try to keep going. One of the athletes there I really admire [00:26:00.00] and I think I wanted to really impress him, one of the obstacles, we're all doing the same kind of route and we're just adding on to it. And it was cool and fun and all going great. But one of the rings was spinning and it wasn't difficult. It was dangerous. Like, it shouldn't be that way. But I think I was so wrap up and want to impress everyone that I just did it anyways and so like, let's call it like it is, that's ego. And, you [00:26:30.00] know, and I don't really think it was as much ego. Maybe it's just not really taking a moment to be to think and be mindful and more diligent. And so that's what happened. And, you know, I would file that under that category of, you know, things happen in this sport, and like you know, I know a lot of athletes, good friends and people get banged up like I got banged up a few times leading up to the season, not because of anything, except it's a very dynamic sport [00:27:00.00] like you do these incredibly difficult balance obstacles. We were trying to get full speed balancing on very dicey games. It's a very dynamic, difficult sport, I don't want to scare anyone off like this is obviously the like striving to be at the top level of it, there's a lot of degrees so like if you don't want to hit the buzzer in the American Ninja Warrior, you're not going to face this. So I don't want like to scary anyone off with it. It's a beautiful [00:27:30.00] sport of encouraging, go do it. But you asking about an injury and I'll say that if I reflect back on my five years of Ninja Warrior is been in my life, the only times I've gotten really dinged up the through line for the first ones when I didn't listen, meaning someone tried to explain something to me, that I was so revved up or nervous or excited that I didn't listen to what they said. And I just want to get it. And I hurt myself. And [00:28:00.00] then this one was like I think if I'm finishing the loop on this, what I really learned this season of American Ninja Warrior and this, I learned like a recap, I knew that you needed to know what you wanted to do to go on the course and then go do it. But this incredible, I knew it in my mind, like, yeah. Like you want to swing your body like that and you want to grab around there and you want to do this and like and that to me was like I know what to [00:28:30.00] do. Then I like went to like an independent competition before and went fine but it didn't go great. And I was talking with the athletes and I talked to another and I was like, oh my gosh, they know exactly what they are doing, down to when they are going to breathe, where they're going to grab with there left hand, where they're going to grab at the right hand, like it is a choreographed dance. And that was like mind blowing to me, a cool [00:29:00.00] and sort of bring it back to the injury. I was way not like that because if I was approaching it like that, it never would have happened.
Jase Kraft: [00:29:08.01] Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I'm sure they visualize that everything prior to. So what happened like a hand broken hand is a unique type of injury because [00:29:30.00] it's, typically it's something happened to you, you know, gets hit, you don't just have like chronic pain unless maybe if you're a rock climber or something you could get over the injury. But what was it like coming back from that and then did you ever have like hesitation of taking you know, going back from doing it?
Alex Weber: [00:29:52.64] Basically [00:30:00.00] and this is where I think love comes in, a lot of different forms is basically like do it. And and I was like, yep, that's it. I got just got to do it and that's that. And it was this phrase in my head, it was a little bit like we've just got to go and I will say, though, not a reckless go, like a mindful, intentional commitment. But I mean, it was rough not [00:30:30.00] being able to compete in twenty twenty because of it and it being covid also and having a lot of my life work change, like, you know, I'm very honest about that with people that was I was not in a good place last spring. I went to a break up too, I was joking put it in my tab, what it was, you know. And I think what's so difficult about it for a lot of people who athletics and health and wellness and fitness are so integral to our identity and our happiness [00:31:00.00] and fulfillment and how to feel that it feels very like you're on the sideline of your life now and yeah, I mean, there's so many nuance little moments of it, I mean, one that will always, always remember and I've felt this and this is I don't want to go off on a tangent with it, but, you know, a belief that I have was that there was no experts in this world, I think the people that care and the best and the most not and I [00:31:30.00] remember one of the doctors and the surgeons, you know, I went and saw six hand surgeons in like a week all by mind you covid is kicking up so like offices are closing and I'm like, I have a broken thumb, like I got to get someone to do this. But I'm like, I was in a delicate headspace of like and this is all the while, like I thought Ninja Warrior you might come back in the next couple of months and I still wanted the chance like it was a very delicate place that I was in but [00:32:00.00] long story short, one of the doctors I went in and the surgeon was like, I love American Ninja Warrior. And I'm like, that's awesome. That's great. It's awesome. Yeah. And she was like, gosh, this is a devastating injury for you and I was just like, is that on the form? Like, do you need to say that? Like, I know, I know that it's a devastating injury. But I think that happens, you know, I just, my [00:32:30.00] heart is with any athlete that goes through that because I really didn't have to deal with that a lot in college fortunately, I got dinged up and I never so this is really the first time I was like, dang, I am out of it. And it's a very real feeling for athletes, you know, if you're on a team to feel like you're sidelined are lost, it's lost because you can lose that season, you know, while also wanting to be a good, supportive teammate. It's a there's a lot [00:33:00.00] of nuances in this one but yeah.
Jase Kraft: [00:33:03.73] So how do you think? Because I know, like, positive energy is important to you. I know you do a lot of speaking on it. So how do you think like positive energy versus negative energy affects the recovery process?
Alex Weber: [00:33:22.11] Yeah, I mean so great question.
Alex Weber: [00:33:26.20] I'll start with outlook, but then there's also like physiological parts of it which [00:33:30.00] is above my pay grade. But I do know a bit about it just from reading other people's work on it. And like I think ultimately, though, from just an outlook perspective, you're essentially if you look like there's two paths in the road and there's a big boulder that dropped and the big boulders is anything that happens to you, a break up, a job, you hurt your hand, whatever it might be, there's two paths and the path is like, this boulder is a big obstruction [00:34:00.00] and it sucks. But do I take the path of negative and complain about it and go down with it? Or we decide, OK, this is awful, how can we make this better? And I think that is ultimately the positive ideas. And then from a physiological standpoint of just having more energy, lowering the cortisol levels, increasing blood circulation, all of the beautiful things that happen in addition to actually training your body to give more energy to it and blood flow, healing energy and starting to believe that that is healing [00:34:30.00] like that is very real. Yeah.
Jase Kraft: [00:34:33.95] Awesome. I want to get into kind of your thoughts on this philosophy that I have with when it comes to positive energy or optimism versus pessimism. I believe that if you are a positive situation and if you opt, I'm not going to try to say that word, but [00:35:00.00] if you are positive about a situation and you start to see opportunities,
Alex Weber: [00:35:06.75] I love that.
Jase Kraft: [00:35:07.08] That you wouldn't have if you were negative and you start to look for them because you are looking for them, you start to see them. I think, you know, we live in our own reality and there's so much that's going on around us that we can't focus on everything I know like out of everything your eyes [00:35:30.00] can see, like if you just look at your eyes, can see what are you focused on, like how small that is. And if you think about like all the thoughts in your brain where you focus on so like what are your thoughts on that when it comes to like positivity, negativity and recovery?
Alex Weber: [00:35:51.84] Yeah, I think it means a great perspective on it, I mean, that in terms of finding other opportunities, I think you're exactly [00:36:00.00] right. If we're being positive again, I think was saying, like, how can we make this better and I am very passionately against the blind positivity which says that you need to be awesome all the time. And, you know, and there's like a war on positivity going on, which, I think some people try to put it like we're saying, good vibes only and not the case. We're saying [00:36:30.00]feel all vibes and then how can we make it so do feel better. But anyways, you know, I think there's just so much science few support what we focus on and what we give energy to and what we give effort to. And if we do focus on the positive things, then our energies focus on the positives, our efforts, and focus on the positive things. And if that's where our focus, energy and effort is focused, channeled towards, [00:37:00.00] it's going to result in positive things. And so, you know, I think we're real difficulty is that. There is some safe comfort in negativity and I experience them and I know we all do. Like, why do we like gossiping or why do you like complaining about why that thing in that restaurant, that politician sucks. You know, there's some comfort [00:37:30.00] in it, though that is, it's not a real, it's not real. It's not something that we really want.
Jase Kraft: [00:37:40.37] Yeah, that that's a good way to put that, because it's almost easier and it is easier to be negative and it almost just like. It lowers your expectations so you don't get hurt from that expectation. I am curious, you said like, you [00:38:00.00] know, you're you're totally against blind positivity, which I totally get as well. It's I think it's easier for myself or somebody in their own shoes to not be blindly positive for themselves. There are some exceptions, but I think a majority of people don't have that. But then when we apply that to me, supporting a teammate or a friend that's [00:38:30.00] going through something like a broken hand or an injury and trying to support them in a positive way without just being fluffy and be like, whatever, you know, it's kind of morbid. But like at funerals, like the worst thing you can say is, you know, like he's in a better or she's in a better place now like that, [00:39:00.00] saying you shouldn't feel this way because of this. It's like they have the right to feel that and just wondering how that translates to supporting somebody in a positive way, but not being coming across it blindly positive?
Jase Kraft: [00:39:18.87] Well, it's a great question. And I think, we kind of think about, you know, because everyone's gone through that experience, with that, whether that's a break up, whether that's an injury, whether that's a you know, tough loss on a job, [00:39:30.00] trying to think of like, you know, my short answer is like go with what goes true to you. And I do think intentions if coming from the right place, I think people feel that, I don't know if it's right or wrong, like, you know, one of my, our athletes had a tougher performance and, you know, my energy and he was like having a tough shaking it and my energy, is very much like almost coming of the reason, [00:40:00.00] you know, and then another one of the athletes was just like, get over it but it was like with love, its like he might have needed to hear that. So my short answer is I don't think there is a right answer, but I do think intention, you know, because I also had people reach out and like I had some athletes be like that sucks. What I know that they're saying is like, I feel you, you know, and like it's valid, you know, and I'm [00:40:30.00] kind of with you. I hope some people I work with say that sucks. And it really hurt me because it didn't feel like it was commiserating. It meant like to you it seemed like I'm disappointed because of the capacity of being a professional. There was just, it was, I know I'm not doing that justice there, but I just think that intentions will show themselves. And so as long as your heart's in the right place.
Alex Weber: [00:40:58.52] Yeah, and I [00:41:00.00] think you get more leeway in that time of need, the closeness of their relationship and the more honest that relationship has been up to that point. I mean, I've had several different coaches throughout my running career and there's coaches that, like you, get done with a race and they'd be like, well, that didn't go well. And you're like, yeah, you know. But then when something does go well or they're starting to see something in you and they tell you [00:41:30.00] that goes a lot more, a lot faster than somebody that's saying, oh, that was there is a lot of positive in that race. And you just felt like that was the worst race ever.
Alex Weber: [00:41:43.34] Let me ask you.
Jase Kraft: [00:41:44.84] Go ahead.
Alex Weber: [00:41:45.77] I don't wanna interrupt you. I, this is like I am intrigued by this as a coach stand point of like when those coaches said that, well, that didn't go well. Did it seem like they were on your team and it didn't go well [00:42:00.00] together, or was it more of like an accusatory or like that didn't go well like you did? Or is it more like we did more?
Jase Kraft: [00:42:09.16] No, that's that's a good point. I was there on my team still, and it wasn't it wasn't like, well Jase you sucked that one up like.
Alex Weber: [00:42:20.50] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jase Kraft: [00:42:21.25] Well, you know, that happens. We'll look at the training, you know, and it comes down to, I think, the [00:42:30.00] follow up questions to it because then they start to dig in. So like, how do you feel at the beginning, how do you feel in the middle, where did it start to go downhill for you? You know, they're digging in to trying to see, you know, the answer instead of just saying it's on you, you're broken. It's something about it was broken and stuff. So well cool man, I think that's a great place to wrap [00:43:00.00] this up. I want to give you the floor here for the next couple of minutes to tell everybody about, you know, what you do, how you can help them or how they can get in touch with you and everything like that.
Alex Weber: [00:43:13.42] So, Jase, I appreciate it, man. It's awesome what you're doing here. And yeah, this is what I love to do. A lot of the work that I do speaking at organizations on peak performance and leadership and how to be our best selves for ourselves, but also the people who need us and depend on us. So that's [00:43:30.00] what I love to do. I also started running groups, a lot of those private groups are athletes and high achievers, and it's been really beautiful. I have a new one that's all men and that's been really cool, giving guys were high achievers to actually connect with open up about how they're doing in an effort to be better. So, yeah, if you need that hits. Please do reach out because it's awesome.
Jase Kraft: [00:43:57.46] Yeah. And your website https://www.imalexweber.com/? [00:44:00.00]
Alex Weber: [00:44:01.84] Yeah, one b in Weber. I'm Alex Weber on all the things.
Jase Kraft: [00:44:07.09] And it's I'm not I am.
Alex Weber: [00:44:11.86] Correct.
Jase Kraft: [00:44:11.89] imalexweber.com I made that mistake myself so.
Alex Weber: [00:44:14.92] I could do it again. I would tweak that up but its unfortunate they say.
Jase Kraft: [00:44:20.80] Yeah. well I was certainly great to chat with you here, Alex. I think there a lot of good takeaways for the audience. [00:44:30.00] So if you're listening, go check Alex out. And Alex, thanks for being here.
Alex Weber: [00:44:35.26] Jase thank you man.
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Award-Winning Performer, and American Ninja Warrior. Alex is also a World Record Holder, 5x TEDx Speaker, World Championship Athlete, and one of the youngest Coaches ever to be awarded US Lacrosse Coach of the Year.