Dec. 15, 2020

A Breakdown of 2-time World Champion's Recovery Routine - Lindsay Webster

A Breakdown of 2-time World Champion's Recovery Routine - Lindsay Webster

Lindsay Webster has been dominating the Spartan and Obstacle Course Racing scene the last few years including 2 World Championship titles. She has many more accolades as a Spartan, although Obstacle Course Racing (referred to as OCR) may be a relatively new sport, Lindsay is no stranger to being at the top of her discipline.

In her collegiate career, she placed 3rd at Canadian Cross Country Running Nationals in 2014. She has gold medals in Mountain Biking from the Mansfield and Woodnewton Ontario Cup, and she even has a 4th place finish at the 50km Gatineau Loppet Cross Country Skiing Event.

Our conversation reflects on her recovery routine, her nutritional habits, and the type of legacy that she wants to leave.

Mentioned Episodes and Links:

Episode 6 & 7 - Sleep with Nick Littlehales

Spartan Races:

Lindsay Websters's Information:



Jase Kraft's (Host) Information:






Jase Kraft: [00:00:00] Hey, welcome to another episode of The Science of Sports Recovery podcast. Glad you're here. And I am excited to introduce you to a special guest, an athlete today, a Spartan world champion, Lindsey Webster. She's been dominating the Spartan in an obstacle course racing scene for the last few years, including two world championship titles. She has more accolades, is as a Spartan, although obstacle course racing referred to as OCR may be a relatively new sport. Lindsay is no stranger to being at the top of her discipline in her collegiate career. She placed third at the Canadian cross-country running at Nationals, and she has gold medals in mountain biking from Mansfield and Wood New in Ontario Cup. And she even has a fourth place finish at the 50 K Gatineau Lopate cross-country skiing event like many of our athletes. I could go on and on and on about her accolades for forty five minutes, but I'll spare you that and get into our conversation now about her recovery and her nutritional habits and the type of legacy that she wants to leave. Let's get into it.


Jase Kraft: [00:01:22] You're listening to the Science of Sports Recovery podcast. Each week, we explore how to recover more efficiently from training so you can work out harder and realize your full potential. This is the Science of Sports Recovery podcast.


Jase Kraft: [00:01:51] L.a., it's great to have you on the show or excited to talk with you today. 


 Lindsay Webster: [00:01:56] hey are making so much for having me on,


Jase Kraft: [00:02:02] So I wanted to start with, we kind of got a brief overview of a variety of different disciplines that you've been in in athletics throughout your whole life. Obviously, now you're a Spartan athlete. But I want to take you back down memory lane to the beginning of when you started sport, I believe, as a figure skater. And then you transitioned into now what is Lindsey Webster, the Spartan athlete. So how did your first introduction to sport go?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:02:38] Yeah, well, yeah, first of all, you're a thorough researcher and, yeah, like I think I've mentioned to you off screen, but I have no idea where you found this information.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:02:49] But I appreciate the hard kind of finding all of this. And, yeah, it's been a long journey.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:02:56] I did start figure skating, I think, as my first competitive sport when I was, oh, my gosh, like eight maybe.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:03:07] I'm not even sure, though.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:03:10] Is that normal then, sport? I think it is just something that was important to them to have in the world.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:03:15] And I believe in the course, like every little girl, I started with ballet. And then I just I don't know if I liked it, but it was just missing something for me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:03:25] And for whatever reason, I decided I really wanted to be a figure skater.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:03:28] And they stuck with that up until up until high school. So, yeah, they always had me enrolled in those different sports at various competitive levels that they sort of left to. That's how competitive I wanted to be sure. Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:03:44] That eight year old were you as competitive as you are now or did it kind of take a while for you to get your competitive jeans?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:03:56] I think it involved people like doing what they're good at, and I didn't really mean like every little figure skater, I just learned the basics and stuff.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:04:08] And it was a couple of years before I actually started competing again and I would always be on the podium and my competition. Then it just sort of evolved from there.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:04:20] Yeah, but yeah, I think it was until high school that I really found my competitive jeans. Actually, at one point my mom asked if I wanted to switch figure skating coaches to somebody who was like, I still had my coach from when I was eight years old. And she said, well, you know, a lot of the girls get older, are switching to like the more a coach with, the more experience, I guess, in the competition world. And I was like, no, I like my coach.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:04:47] I can go stay with Tarah or high school, like, my dear sir. I love that.


Jase Kraft: [00:04:59] What was the sport in high school that kind of pushed you into, like, the competitive realm?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:05:06] Yeah, cross-country skiing, actually super lucky because my high school actually had a cross-country ski team, which, like a lot of high schools don't, especially in Ontario, where I was living at the time. But we had some some of the teachers there were just really passionate about the sport. And honestly, like to this day, some of the best coaches that I've ever had. And they said kind of like the brickworks of everything that I know about sports and training.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:05:35] And so anyway, I joined this cross-country ski team in school, and then I actually ended up joining the team outside of school as well, which is where things got really competitive and took me to the national level and stuff. But yeah, I would say that definitely set the stage not only for my competitive spirit, but also for everything that I know about training.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:05:58] Yeah,


Jase Kraft: [00:06:01] And you have a sister, correct? That's a cross-country pro athlete.Is that accurate,


 Lindsay Webster: [00:06:09] Olympian and cross-country skiing, so yeah, so her and her and I were and she's two years old and so we were in high school same time and for most of the time we were kind of competing I would be like Junior while she was the senior. But once we got older and outside of school, we ended up actually like having compete against each other, which never there is never any animosity or anything between the two of us. So she's never encouraging. And she was way more competitive than I was. But a lot of people would sort of say, like, oh, you're Britney, just like I didn't really have a name.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:06:48] I was like Britney's sister.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:06:52] Yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:06:53] And like, oh, you know, if you trained harder than you could beat her and stuff. And yes, I was competitive about it.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:06:59] But I think at the same time, it held me back a little bit from, like being truly competitive because it's just like I'm sick of it.


Jase Kraft: [00:07:06] So were you did she kind of introduce you to the sport then or was she there first? And you're like, I'm I'm going to do that as well because Britney's doing that? Or was it like you guys started at the same time?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:07:25] Yeah. And that's actually how it had been through most of her childhood.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:07:28] Like, you know, as the older sister, she was sort of like my mentor in a lot of ways. And so I did because she did ballet. And then I looked at tennis for a little while, but like, I did it because she did it. And obviously it's easy for mom and dad when they just have to drive me to all the same things that I figured was like the first thing that I kind of like, did something that she wasn't doing as well.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:07:51] And then cross-country skiing she got me into because, yeah, she was two years older. And so she joined the high school team and great. And then fell in love with it. And by grade ten was like training her butt off. Like our bus. Our school bus came at six thirty in the morning or some sort of hour and she would be up for 30 so she could a run in before she went to school and then she'd run on her lunch hour or two.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:08:17] And she was just she was like so dedicated.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:08:20] And she she taught me what it takes to be a professional athlete, how dedicated that you have to be. So, yeah, she paved the way for me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:08:30] And a lot of ways that I think also at the same time, I'm under no fault of hers just because she was so competitive about it and she really wanted to work to get to the Olympics and make this like, yeah, she wanted to be a professional athlete. And I was just like, you know, I kind of enjoy being like a normal kid so that I ended up actually like what I had the choice, whether I wanted to be more competitive with skiing when it was time to graduate and, like, pursue what she was pursuing, or I just like ended up going to university and making the choice that I wanted to be like a normal kid for a while. And I had to figure out a competitive sports or something that I wanted to do or I just always done because I had roles in them and stuff and then obviously eventually came back to it.


Jase Kraft: [00:09:16] Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:09:17] At some point you had to make the decision for yourself instead of just following in your sister's footsteps.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:09:24] Well, exactly, yeah, but you know what? On the way,


Jase Kraft: [00:09:28] I actually have a very similar story in my life. I'm I'm a runner and my brothers ran. They're four years older than me. I had twin older brothers and like it prior to them going out to cross-country running. I wanted to be a professional football player. This is like in fourth grade. And then they went out for cross-country. I was so mad at them because they didn't go out for football and they went out for cross-country. And then I went to a cross-country meet and I was like, oh, I could do this. So then I started having fun.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:10:06] But yeah. So did you ever have to actually compete against them there for you?


Jase Kraft: [00:10:11] Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:10:12] So in a small town in South Dakota, so we had our seventh and eighth grade team compete at high school meets if they were good enough. So my seventh grade year, I would run the two mile with them and they would look at me and stuff. But then I had enough of that. So my my next year I took running a little bit more serious and ran all year round over the winters and stuff. And then I ended up beating them about half the time. They had more events up to this point. But then when it came down to the two mile, I'd beat them half the time as an eighth grade, 13 years. But. 


 Lindsay Webster: [00:10:52] That's so.And so's little brother.


Jase Kraft: [00:10:57] Yeah, I just kind of followed them around the meats and I was known as the little Kraft kid. And then.


Jase Kraft: [00:11:06] Pretty soon, by the time they have graduated, people are knowing them as my brother.


Jase Kraft: [00:11:12] So it's funny how you. 


 Lindsay Webster: [00:11:17] Relate with them about that. And I'm sure a bunch of people who listen will have a similar story. But I've never actually met somebody who like that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:11:26] The same thing as where they found my competitive spirit through it.


Jase Kraft: [00:11:36] So if I understand.


Jase Kraft: [00:11:39] Right, you kind of went to college and I was like, hey, I'm not going to be a professional cross-country skier because I don't want to put that time into an effort into it.


Jase Kraft: [00:11:49] You did some mountain biking and then got into a really Spartan racing through Ryan, your husband. So what was your training like prior to entering the OCR world?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:12:08] Yeah, so I guess basically I did university and I was on the varsity wrestling team the whole time at the university and then actually graduated, works full time for a couple of years.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:12:23] And that's when I found mountain biking, which I absolutely loved.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:12:27] But yeah, same thing. Like, I just did it. I did mountain biking because I absolutely loved it.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:12:32] To this day, it's probably if you ask me what my favorite sport is, I'd probably say mountain biking or like mountain dreaming.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:12:39] But I love mountain biking.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:12:41] And I always said, oh, I don't want to start competing in this because then it's going to take over and I'll start training for it. And I don't want to lose my love for it. And and that's eventually what ended up happening. I started I did like a race, which is where I met Riet husband, actually. So hindsight, obviously a lot of things that I did it that then got competitively into mountain biking for a couple of years. But then I was kind of like, you know, it I don't think I want to do do this competitive mountain biking thing anymore because, like, I'm I'm losing my love for it.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:13:14] I'm not just doing it anymore because, like, I enjoy doing it because this whole other aspect.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:13:19] And so he was like, oh, well, you should go do this obstacle race with me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:13:25] I'm going to go get the shot first prize money if you make the podium. And I think you could stand a chance of making the podium. And so that's how I ended up doing my first obstacle race.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:13:34] So my fitness is pretty good at the time from a cardio perspective that like upper body strength, I had no idea what I was in for.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:13:43] You guys, this is the obstacle I ended up doing like two hundred furphies, that race. Yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:13:50] And I was sore for after I was legitimately hurt to move everything off my body. Was that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:14:00] That was 20, 14 at the world championships in Killington, Vermont. Yeah, still this I've ever done to this day. The Spartan athletes know anybody who is there like I would do.


Jase Kraft: [00:14:18] Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:14:20] So for the listener that that might not be in the Spartan or OCR world, what she's talking about, berp, is if you fail an obstacle in a Spartan race, you have to do 30 Barbies. I believe. I think there's some differences on different races. But the two hundred rupees remains what you failed 10 or eight or 10 obstacles, someone around there?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:14:47] Yeah, I think there's probably somewhere around there, almost 20 obstacles. And they a solid half of them.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:14:56] Yes.


Jase Kraft: [00:15:00] So obviously you have evolved from that and gotten your your strength kept keeping your cardio. What has been like the biggest like when it comes to strength? Because there's like there's grip strength, it's brute like I can deadlift four hundred pounds. I can't but I'm just an example. Like what kind of strength does it take in Spartan to succeed.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:15:34] Most of it's not things that people find impossible.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:15:40] I think there's definitely like I'd say the main element is grip strength. There's a lot of pulling on the ropes, hanging from monkey bars, that sort of thing that involve a lot of pulling strength and grip strength. So as long as you can, like, hang off the bar for that fellow, that's a good way to practice that. If you can do like a chin up and hang off a chin up bar for 40 seconds or probably OK to do an obstacle. I'd say nothing is really like.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:16:12] Heavier, nothing's going to be heavier than your body weight that you have to carry, but a lot of the weights are arbitrary and will change each race, like sometimes they make you carry a bucket of rocks around and sometimes it's a log and you never really know how much it's going away.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:16:26] I'd say the most awful thing, but they make us do is a double sandbag. So a lot of the times we'll have to carry the sandbag on our shoulders and usually they're 40 pounds, but sometimes they'll give you two of them.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:16:39] So for the moment, it's only 80 pounds, which is not like awful weight.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:16:43] But to have two of them and you try to get them up on your shoulders and balance them around, and then they make you walk up and down a really steep mountain with them and that's that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:16:56] So I'd say like the most horrible part of that says mentally taxing as it is physically, because it's just so miserable.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:17:04] But I think the reason I failed so many obstacles that first race is because there's there's some technique to them.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:17:10] Like I'd say, if anybody out there wants to go try an obstacle. Race is super fun, but do expect to, like, fail some things your first time around. And then once you go do the second race, you'll probably get them the second time. None of them are that hard, but you just sort of have to learn like body momentum and there's some way tricksy little things.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:17:30] But yeah, you just have to learn, which you probably will all the first time unless you're an American or something.


Jase Kraft: [00:17:40] Yeah, that that's kind of my experience. So I've just started the obstacle course racing this year, which has kind of been a bust because of covid and everything. But race is only the one I was doing conquer the gantlet, which is more of the Midwest and Southern and the United States kind of area. But they they do you don't have to do. And if you fail, it's just like you do the obstacle until you can't. If you can't, then, like, you surrender your elite status or whatever.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:18:19] Yeah, I like that. Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:18:25] Yeah. So you get multiple tries at the obstacle which is as fun and there's no birdies so.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:18:35] How are you able to finish it?Did you get. 


Jase Kraft: [00:18:37] For the first time, I did not. And there was this one obstacle is called Pegatron. You have two pegs and there's like holes in the law and you have to work your way across it, which from my understanding, is way more intense than any. Obstacle in spa and from what I've seen, and so I was not prepared for that at all.


Jase Kraft: [00:19:04] And could I come from a dance or running background like a year ago, 10 pushups, like, made me sore for a week. So that was really hard. I built it in my garage. I trained for the last three months on it. And then they put that obstacle at the end of the race this time. So four miles and twenty five obstacles in.


Jase Kraft: [00:19:29] And I was literally two inches away from the bell. I want to reach it.


Jase Kraft: [00:19:34] And then my other peg fell out and I fell and I hurt my elbow and I can finish as so I never know what's going to happen.


Jase Kraft: [00:19:50] Yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:19:51] So this is the very last or right of the very last obstacle.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:19:57] Like you, you know, make up the place that leaves the place.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:20:01] Yeah. They say it's never over until it's over. It's just so true. Yeah. That does have an epic obstacle.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:20:08] Like our gym has a pegboard around and it's like so hard to do even when you're not in the middle of a twenty four obstacle.


Jase Kraft: [00:20:22] You you said something that like it, it's never over till it's over, especially an obstacle course racing and something like cross country skiing, mountain biking, running. Like you can get to a certain point where all you have to do is finish and you win. And so there's a little bit different like focus there. How do you stay focused through a Spartan race when there's so many variables? And it's not just like running. I mean, you have to focus on a lot of different things and there's a lot of momentum breakers. How do you do that?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:21:03] Yeah, that's a really good question, I get exceptionally nervous before a lot of obstacle races because there are so many variables that can go wrong. You know, I get nervous for other races, too, but without scale races, like so many more elements that you have to consider.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:21:21] But the lucky thing is, once you've been around the block as many times as I have, so to speak, you encounter a lot of the same obstacles over and over again.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:21:29] So it sort of be similar to like a for force or a mountain bike race or you experience a technical part like I don't know if you've seen it or practiced it before him.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:21:40] And when you're up and running it sort of just like one step at a time and you're like, OK, here's the line. I'm going to go around here next. I put my foot here like I had to go between those two trees.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:21:52] And it's kind of like that with obstacle races, too.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:21:55] It's just like one step at a time. Just take it as it comes at you. Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:22:01] Yeah. So it's once you done the obstacles enough times and it's just like it's another part of part of the race.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:22:11] And yeah, I'm like, you know what, to train for two or three.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:22:19] So I get more nervous for the first race of the season, I would say, because I feel like out of practice on the obstacles and stuff and that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:22:28] But once you've done once you have a race under your belt and our races are usually only like two weeks to maximum apart. So, yeah, you kind of accumulate a lot of time on like the same obstacles and then you reach after like two or three races. You're like, OK, I got this, I know I can do it. And and then I start to get less nervous for that little portion of the season.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:22:50] And then and then the nerves ramp up again for world championships.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:22:55] Yeah. Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:22:57] So before we get into kind of the recovery, what you do and stuff, I want to just since you've done so many different sports over your career from eight years old to now, I want to just have some fun with it. And what's the biggest achievement you've done or you're most proud of moment in each sport? We'll start with OCR and work backwards. So in in Sparta and what's here like the the moment or the race or the accomplishment that you're most proud of?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:23:35] And there's I mean, there's a couple I would say the first time that I won Spartan World Championships, like I did not really expect to do it, but it obviously had been my goal on the back of my mind for years and years.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:23:48] And when it all just came together, like the super surreal moment and for like a week, like, I would just kind of forget that it has happened or like it's almost like it was a dream and then I'd be like in the shower or something.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:24:02] And I just start smiling like a crazy person.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:24:05] Oh, my gosh.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:24:09] What I think that I was really proud of myself for was the world's toughest mother, which is a twenty four hour long obstacle race.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:24:17] And the first year that I did, I quit 18 hours and I was just so, so awe inspiring. And like a couple of people said to me, oh, yeah, to finish it, you really got to want to finish it.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:24:29] And then the next year I went to my childhood again and my whole family came out there cheering me on, improving for me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:24:35] And I finished it that year and my mom walked to the US, like for lots of me and my dad.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:24:42] And I was just like, so proud of myself for having got it done and not that natural of a super endurance athlete.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:24:50] Like I specialize in anything from like two to six hours, I'd say about anything after that is outside my comfort zone. So that was like the longest.


Jase Kraft: [00:25:00] Yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:25:01] Thing is definitely meant that I had ever done so. Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:25:06] To complete that day, to have a certain distance and twenty four hours. Or is it just if you're on, if you stay on the day in it for twenty four hours you complete it whoever goes farthest.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:25:20] Yeah, it's so it's actually a five mile loop, which is really cool because every five miles you pass this pit area, you can grab food and water or whatever. But it's also hard because every five miles you have the opportunity to quit, which becomes really tough after a certain point.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:25:38] And also like it's typically in November, which gets pretty chilly.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:25:43] So like you're in a wet suit after a certain point, which gets pretty uncomfortable, just like outside of your sore muscles and everything else that hurts like wearing this wet suit.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:26:00] Yeah, but yeah, basically it's as many five mile laps as you can complete within twenty four hours and whoever does most amount of laps wins it.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:26:09] So it's just going to turn out light and it starts to be here. But continue. Had you, had you place in that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:26:20] The you know, it's funny, I was I was like really pacing myself and taking what but I was actually I think at one point ten seconds and then for a little while I was I'm sorry, but like, I never I knew that it wasn't going to last because I just knew that after about 13 hours or 12 hours, I wasn't going to be like run anymore, which did happen.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:26:46] So the last several, like, I don't know, the last 11 hours I was walking. And so people eventually started passing. I forget where I finished. I think I was still in the top 10. Yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:27:00] So it's just like I feel like if I tried it again now it's actually coming back next year and I'm toying with the idea of doing it again because I think that it's become a better endurance athlete in the meantime. And I'd be curious to see if I could run twenty four hours. I know at least I can do more than 13 hours running, though, without my form falling apart.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:27:20] So I don't know. But you try.


Jase Kraft: [00:27:25] Yeah, well, the mountain biking then. What is your most proudest moment while my mountain biking. It doesn't have to be a race. There could just be accomplished. You went to the top of something, but.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:27:41] Yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:27:44] I don't know, probably a lot of the technical things that scare me, so actually when I started mountain biking, the way that it's set up, basically there's there's different levels.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:27:55] The elite level is like the hardest level.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:27:58] And below that, there's the sport and then there's one in between.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:28:04] So I started in sport and then I, like, moved me up because I was doing really well. And then they immediately again moved me into the elite category. And this all happened within like two months. But the thing is, it's because my fitness was good, but like my technical mountain biking skills are not there yet and the courses get harder technically at the level that you compete at.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:28:31] And so all of a sudden, I was having to compete in these races that were like way out of my comfort zone.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:28:37] And for four hour nationals actually that year, the course was these same courses, the Pan American Games, which was like you have the top riders in over North America coming in to that race.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:28:53] And it's just like it was pretty technical and like a month every single week.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:28:58] And I'd go both days and drive up to the courts and I'd practice all the features and stuff and learn how to ride some like gap jumps and yeah, just a lot of like technical rocky thing.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:29:11] So I'd say just like that's probably my proudest accomplishment was overcoming the mental challenge.


Jase Kraft: [00:29:22] That is that is one sport I don't think I'll touch is mountain biking. I can't like coming down a mountain and then having to say, no, that's not for me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:29:34] What are you working in Ontario like? A lot of the riding is just like on fast flowing trails, if not a lot of features on them. And that's how I learned to ride. And and that kind of riding is like super fun. Like there's nothing scary. You can go as fast or as slow as you want. And it's just like.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:29:55] So I feel like there's something out there for everybody that everybody is like. Yeah, yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:30:03] Ok, so cross-country skiing, what was your proudest moment there?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:30:14] I don't know, I think the first time I was off officer, which is I don't know, do you guys have officer in America? OK, so I forget what it stands for. I particularly like it's when you're racing in high school, it's like the top level of the race that you compete in.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:30:33] And so there's like you. And then there's also would be, I guess, all of Ontario or whatever province that you're in.


Jase Kraft: [00:30:40] And we have we have state. So we're within this South Dakota province.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:30:49] And so the first year I won the I was like I cried when I saw the results, which just like the first time I've ever cried happy tears.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:30:58] And I was so shocked. I remember being like like I said, I just totally didn't expect it.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:31:03] And they gave me a lot of my confidence about myself as an athlete that I was capable of.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:31:10] That's the year that I have actually started training a little bit to because I have encouraging coaches and my sister was encouraging me to.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:31:17] And I just saw the results.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:31:20] And yeah, it's just competing with you at that point. I wish she had graduated or moved on to Senior and I would.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:31:31] So she would have been like if grades nine and ten, her group together I would have Junior and that and she would have been in grade ten or eleven or twelve and competed as a senior. So she I'm sure when the senior category. Yeah. Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:31:52] Happy tears, they're weird, aren't they?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:31:56] It's super weird. Don't happen that often, but I'm not like I know a lot of people, they cry whatever emotions are coming their way. And I'm always jealous of people who are crying because I'm like, I think it's so cool to just be able to wear your emotions on your sleeve like that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:32:10] But I am not a cry. And so I just remember it. When it happened, I was like, what is going on? Like I said,


Jase Kraft: [00:32:20] I've only done it twice in my career.


Jase Kraft: [00:32:22] Both times I was like, what the anyway, you're happy to my freshman year of college or university? I at our conference made we had I ran the the one thousand meters and the mile race there were like but not back to back, but they're like forty five minutes apart and I was not supposed to win either one. I ran the mile and there was like a handful of all Americans and the in the race I'm just a freshman and it's like my first year I didn't know what I was doing, but I ended up winning that by three hundredths of a second and.


Jase Kraft: [00:33:12] I was like, OK, I want to cross the line, I didn't know I had one until a little bit later and then like the announcement, it's like that was cool. I didn't cry. Then, though, my coach said, great job. You got a one K and forty five minutes. And I was like, OK, so I cooled down, warmed up for that. And with three hundred to go in that race I was, I was accepting third place like in my mind I was like I was in third. I think I can hold this. Then I see my coach in the corner saying like you got to go now if you're going to win. And I was like, OK, that was the strategy. So I went and the guy on first came back to me. I caught him in like the last 50 meters and won that race too, as a freshman. And that was like then I was like, what is happening?


Jase Kraft: [00:34:08] Because I was the first time that I had underestimated myself in a race like I always thought, like I was here. And then I'd play somewhere here or below. But I was like, I was hoping for third place or fourth place and both of those events. And then winning then was like unreal, sweaty palms.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:34:31] That's great.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:34:32] I'm going to scope your time back at the same time, if you like, told me right now, I feel like I don't know what that means.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:34:42] I have to convert it to kilometers.


Jase Kraft: [00:34:47] Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:34:49] The the next time was at Nationals my last year and cross country we placed fifth as a team and that was something that was our goal at Nationals and it was our goal going in to be like top five. And it was just it was a long road for me from sophomore year to senior year that I would knock and tell that story because it would take too long. This podcast is about you instead of me, but I just had some health issues and then coming into that last year to be able to lead, not lead the team, but helps the team to fifth place was a very good experience for me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:35:34] So I want people to share it with the whole team. It's just that I can probably weren't the only person crying.


Jase Kraft: [00:35:43] And yeah, looking back on that time, the seven of us that were there, we all agree that that was like the best trip of our all of our college careers, no matter what, like where we were at in our career at that point. So, yeah, that's what I miss my first.


Jase Kraft: [00:36:06] Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:36:08] Do you feel like Ryan is kind of like on your team now as a Spartan athlete? Like, do you get that still camaraderie that way or is a difference in your spouse?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:36:19] Yeah, I mean, definitely we're on each other's team, we're both in the same same sport, we get to travel together and everything, which I think it's pretty cool.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:36:31] Obviously it's different than having like a whole team of people.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:36:34] But I think I feel like my main obstacle racing fans are like my team in a way, like as much as we compete against each other, we all get together after we like beers, after the race. Every second everybody has when we get to wherever the races like, will be supporting each other and stuff that we've missed each other a lot this year, like each other and. Yeah. Yeah. But when I am like, yeah, it's different.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:37:06] But I think also I feel really lucky to have those who does the same thing with me is a professional athlete because I can't even imagine like in relationships where one person is a pro athlete and the other person just works like a full time job or something.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:37:23] I mean, it would just suck to, like, be away from home so much and not have my other half with me. And then also it can just be weirdly selfish sometimes being a full time athletes, all of it like your training and your recovery and your nutrition and your sleep and blah, blah, blah.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:37:38] And like to have somebody who has all the same goals as you do is just like amazing.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:37:43] Like be hard to only have, like one person in the equation have the same goals.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:37:51] So, yeah,


Jase Kraft: [00:37:54] You talked a little bit on mountain biking, how you didn't want that to become competitive because then something changes on that. And I think that comes with kind of like the burnout conversation of a sport and athletics. Do you feel that with obstacle course racing to now that like. You might like mountain biking better, but obstacle course might pay better or whatever that is like, how do you fight burnout as an athlete?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:38:32] Well, there's so many answers to this question.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:38:34] First of all, don't get me wrong, I love obstacle racing, but I think especially I love it because, I mean, I feel like I always had these opportunities to be a professional athlete and various different sports, but I always chose not to be.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:38:49] And I think it's because I felt like I had found the right for mountain biking. I mean, when you're training full time for mountain biking every day, you're on the bike for so long.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:39:01] So amount of hours. And it's all very structured.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:39:04] And today's interval now, it's a technique session, blah, blah, blah, like and you can never just go out for, like, a fun ride of an arbitrary length that you want it to be. And where is that obstacle thing? Like, I love this sport, but I think what what made me want to commit to being a professional athlete in the sport is that you can train for it so many different ways, like I can go for a run or I can do intervals on the mountain, or I can if I go for a mountain bike ride like that, cardio is still going to benefit me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:39:38] And I can spend all this time in the gym.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:39:42] I can play around on rigs like there's all these ninja gyms around. So if I like to go visit those, I'm like I get to hang out with friends and play around the obstacles.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:39:51] And it's all like considered training. Like I literally have pulled the tire behind me up a mountain before because I felt like doing it that I didn't know. Like, this is the obstacle racing is that the training never gets mundane or boring.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:40:10] Know, a lot of I don't know, it sounds weird to like train the mental aspect of the sport, but that's such a huge thing.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:40:17] And obstacle racing like adversity comes into it so much and like to train the and mental side of of of your game where you're like putting your theroux's yourself through something that's kind of miserable, but you get through it and then you're proud of yourself afterwards.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:40:33] And something like that comes into play.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:40:34] A lot of school racing. So yeah. So yeah, I think I want to throw that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:40:40] It's not that I like mountain biking more and I don't like obstacle racing. Like I don't just do it for the bike. Yeah. There's like good prize money, but a lot of the times honestly I'm so competitive that I forget that there is prize at the events and I just want to win because I really want to win. But then also I think my first year I definitely burnt out because there's so many races like the races go year round because they just go wherever they perform. And so, like, you can race as much as you want. In my first year, I raced almost like it was like every weekend or every other weekend. And we were just like on the go all the time. And yeah, by the time world championship season ended, I was like, oh, that was long.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:41:24] And also our race seasons like there about ten months long.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:41:29] And they're all these series that we have to do.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:41:31] So like the series starts and last year is February and it goes up until November. No.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:41:39] And every year it's gotten like it started with I think it was six months and every year it's gotten a little bit longer.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:41:44] So so there's definitely been years burned out because of that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:41:48] But I think as late as like I think it is, I've been doing this for five years now. This year didn't really count. But but I've learned a lot as the years have progressed about like how to not burn now.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:42:01] And yeah,


Jase Kraft: [00:42:04] You navigate a like a ten month season because a lot of runners and especially collegiate runners, they do cross country, then they do indoor track, then they do outdoor track. I mean, you're talking essentially you're on, you're racing, you're competing for nine months of the year. And when you're not, you're trying to go for cross country. So how do you mentally navigate a ten month season?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:42:31] Well, I always take I always tell myself I'm going to take a month off when the season ends, some years, it's only been two weeks and by off, I like I'm not I'm not exercising at all.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:42:42] Like, some days I'll move if I feel like that or I get a lot of my mental break like I'm OK.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:42:53] Over time, the cookie's time to only create if I feel like it and I get like a nice month of that. And then by the time it's over, there is one year. I took a month and a half after I finished the twenty four hours that your body needed. And last year I only took two weeks because that's all I needed.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:43:15] So so I just listen to what my body and mind are telling me, that even then when I when we get our, our races at the dates of the races at the beginning of the year, I'll still like purposely structure in like kind of ebbs and flows and my training.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:43:33] And when I'm going to be on and when I'm going to give myself like a bit of a mental break, usually around like June or July will have.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:43:44] We'll have like a month and a half between races, and that'll be like a mental Respighi time for me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:43:50] So, yeah, you kind of I'm sure you've done the else. You've done the whole track and cross country and all of that.


Jase Kraft: [00:43:59] Yeah, we get like a week off or a couple of weeks off in between the cross and the indoor track because they're cross country can be a long season when you're starting to train in early June and then championships are in November or December, depending on the year and then.


Jase Kraft: [00:44:16] Yeah. What what do you do it like? Well, is that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:44:24] They said a week is not long enough.


Jase Kraft: [00:44:27] Well, that's that's why part of my story is out in college. I to think I had to take a year off of like I did nothing. I lived the bum life for a while. And I was like, after a year like, this is I don't like this. I got back into athletics.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:44:48] I think for me, like I mean, I did that when I chose to go to university and like, take a break, sport.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:44:52] So I feel like I I guess I made that decision like early on.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:44:57] So I know I'll be doing it. And then every year I'll be question again, like I want to keep doing this. Yes.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:45:03] Ok,


Jase Kraft: [00:45:07] Is there anything specific that you do intentionally during those down periods to really feel yourself for like the love of the sport?


Jase Kraft: [00:45:19] Or is that just.


Jase Kraft: [00:45:21] Blank mind. For the love of the sport.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:45:29] I don't know, like definitely less structured training when the seasons, the full force, there's I'm sure, as you know, like there's a lot of interval sessions, there's a lot of they'll be doing this today.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:45:41] They have to do this other thing or like pushing yourself to really rainy days or like sometimes you have obligations that day and you have to set an alarm for like five a.m. to get your training in before the day starts.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:45:57] So, yeah, so like once off season comes, it's I give myself like the month off.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:46:04] But then after that, after I start training again, I have like another month just to like do whatever I feel like doing that day. And for me it's usually.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:46:14] Yeah. Like not not enterable sessions. I'll go for like Arun's if it's a nice day out.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:46:20] A lot of it's just cross-country skiing for like that bike and stuff like that.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:46:26] I think a lot in the off season and I don't think at all about what I'm eating, which is OK. I think it's good to give your body and mind that free too. Yeah. Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:46:40] What is your nutrition like during season, like when you when you're really trying to perform for like a world championships? To what what is your nutrition habits like.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:46:54] I think like my husband and I, we're pretty good most of the time, and I absolutely love cooking.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:47:00] And so I think we most of the stuff we make is like homemade is a lot of fruits and vegetables.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:47:08] And just because of how we enjoy eating and both of us were raised that way, like with our moms cook that way.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:47:16] Yeah, but I, I would say racism is a lot like alcohol. We both love beer. Like craft beer is like a really nice thing for us.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:47:28] And then I love baking as well, which like I try not to do as much of like definitely we I would say that we eat dessert like every day, but it's, it's like moderated like, it's like, oh, you can't have free cookies, you'll just have one cookie.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:47:45] So I wouldn't say we cut ourselves off entirely because for me, like I love baking so much that that would not be sustainable.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:47:52] That would result in like a mental burnout for me, which like a lot of athletes, it's funny because a lot of athletes just literally eat to fuel themselves and most of them eat like these disgusting things that are nutritious, but like not at all appetizing. Like I follow it on Instagram literally for lunch, eats sardines on rice cakes with some sauce and cilantro.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:48:18] I would not not do so.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:48:24] But I mean, I'm sure a lot of other athletes out there like follow, I would be like, oh, you know, you could do a lot better. But for me, that's like a line where I know about it.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:48:36] Just if I had to, like, relegate myself too much to a nutrition plan, that also we have pretty well-rounded diet.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:48:44] I don't make as much during this season because that will end up eating it because it's just the two of us here.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:48:55] But then when the season rolls around, like, I'll be like every day, every other day and turn it off on neighbors and we keep half of it. Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:49:06] So what's your favorite thing to bake like to that you would eat after a hard workout.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:49:16] It's super like unexciting, actually, probably just like movies like we love making fruit, which is funny because I love you, but like all my favorite things to bake and cook, but actually like these, like granola.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:49:31] And we eat those almost every single day, even that would be.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:49:39] Yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:49:40] Even into and it's nutritious and like and you're hungry and it fast. So like yeah. I'll come back from a workout and I'll just like shower and stretch.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:49:55] Yeah. Just like we can and recovery. Like I'll force myself to sit for an hour.


Jase Kraft: [00:50:02] Yeah. So as an athlete part of your job I have four jobs to work out. Well. With less than that, less, you know, 30 percent of your job is to work out 40 percent of your jobs to recover and 30 percent of your job is to raise. Well.


Jase Kraft: [00:50:24] You know, give or take. Yeah, what like.


Jase Kraft: [00:50:29] When it comes like if the perfect recovery routine for Lindsay Webster, what what does that look like after a hard workout? I mean, what are you doing besides your nutrition and which we discussed? What are you doing beyond that?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:50:49] Yeah, I think, like I just mentioned, that kind of for me, like I always try to stretch.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:50:57] I have a friend who's a doctor and she said to me once upon a time, like, imagine you stretched every single day, like once you reach 80 years old and that's going to benefit you in that motorcade.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:51:07] And every every workout I do like I'll try and stretch.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:51:11] And sometimes it's only like two minutes if I'm really cold and hungry. But if I get into it ends up being like 15.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:51:19] I used to up immediately after the workout. Or are you stretching later in the day?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:51:28] Usually I do immediately after, if I mean is definitely days that I don't do it because I'm like super maybe cool because I like come in from the snow or the rain or something.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:51:38] And then it's like, I don't know what these other things that I think are more of a priority in that case.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:51:45] But yeah, usually I do it immediately after.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:51:47] If I don't, then that night I'll try and do like slowing your mobility. So yeah, mobility is a big thing for me, for recovery that I find massively helpful.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:51:58] But yeah, usually for the most part it's just stretching them.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:52:02] And then I really like have to force myself to sit for at least an hour, which, which I think is where this movie comes into play.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:52:11] Like it's really nice to have something that fast to eat and then I can just sit there and sort of take my time eating.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:52:17] Did you have a coffee or something? And it helps me to sit for an hour because I'm I'm just the type of person who wants to be moving. Yeah, I think so. So I think that's a big thing for me. It's just like a little bit of downtime, less full recovery.


Jase Kraft: [00:52:36] Do you put a massage gun or NorTech like compression boots and anything like that?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:52:44] Yeah, we have normal compression foods, which we were a super skeptical about buying because they're pretty expensive, but honestly, we say it's like the best investment that we've ever made.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:52:57] The kind of people I've interviewed thus far.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:53:01] So I don't want them. We just got a drum recovery again, which is good because, like, usually I'll just a roll in front of the TV and while we watch Netflix or whatever, like one that they've done.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:53:17] But some days you're like so tired that you literally just don't want to get off the couch even to roll, which like we were like rolling does kind of require like very minimal amounts of energy. But you still have to move.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:53:29] Yeah. Those days when we literally just can't.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:53:38] A lot of people napping.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:53:40] I don't know about you, but I'm not a nap or I can't nap and.


Jase Kraft: [00:53:45] You haven't ever like in your in your life, even in college, who weren't Anapra?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:53:53] Know, I've tried to be because I know what I've have been covering this and I know a lot of prowar awful they like working into their routine where they my sister used to own up to our the afternoon getting her to work out.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:54:10] So I think she said she had to teach herself to nap. So I had this like three month period when I was like really determined to learn how to nap, but I just never went anywhere. This is a waste of time because every afternoon I just lay there for like an hour and never fall asleep.


Jase Kraft: [00:54:27] So how much sleep that night then?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:54:31] I'm I don't I don't need I'm not the kind of person who needs the time of sleep, I typically sleep about eight hours things like the roommate that I'll sleep 10, which is pretty great compared to most people.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:54:46] Definitely like I know most people who have working lives. I think the average is about seven hours a night, but we definitely prioritize.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:54:56] I try to stick to circadian rhythms and to have good sleep habits.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:55:01] I know that's a very important thing, but I think Ryan sleeps more than I do typically like. He'll go to bed, we'll go to bed at the same time, and we'll stay up for like an hour and read my book until I start to feel tired and then I'll go to bed. But he had to clear up a bit before, so. Yeah, so I get as much sleep as my body needs, but it's just not as much as I think.


Jase Kraft: [00:55:30] I mean, it's different for everybody. And the important thing is that if you're not like. Limiting your sleep. But if you want to talk about learning to nap, I don't know if you're still interested in that, but I interviewed Nick Little Heils and the sports sleep coach. Yeah. And he has a book called Sleep. It'd be good to to read anyways. You'll have to check out that episode that I did with him. We talked about napping and in a lot on circadian rhythms and how to get into the sleep stage and how to set up your sleep in that kind of stuff.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:56:15] So, yeah, I have done I actually got really into it this past winter, especially with just learning everything that I could about sleeping and creating habits.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:56:26] And yeah. And yeah, I think I, I learned a ton about that. I don't know about men I know and how to form kind of like turn yourself in.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:56:37] And so I'll definitely look into that. I mean, yeah, of course it's still something that I would like to learn.


Jase Kraft: [00:56:45] Well, my biggest takeaway as far as napping goes is one, there's a unique place like depending on when you wake up and when you go to bed, there's an ideal time for you to do it. And to you don't actually have to fall asleep to get the benefits from it. If you can still be awake and just like focusing on your breath and just being still letting your mind kind of wander, you still get a lot of the same benefits as though you are sleeping. If you're doing like a 30 minute nap because you're not even if you would fall asleep, you're not getting into that deep sleep, which is what you do at night. So it's kind of the same thing. So that's my two cents from somebody that's way smarter than me.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:57:35] So I could talk about this forever, but when they start recording, I'll take it.


Jase Kraft: [00:57:44] Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [00:57:45] So we're getting close to the end of our time here. So I want to talk about one other thing and then we'll get into kind of our closing fast action questions. But the Spartan Games is an event that you got to participate in three or four day event. That was very intense by my understanding. I got to say a little bit behind the scenes through Instagram and stuff. I believe it's airing later this year or into next year sometime. But after an event like that, or I believe I mean, you just got back from the Golden Series Trail Races, too. So like after a three, four day high intense competition event, how do you how do you recruit from that? And what's kind of your mindset from going from that back into into training? Because obviously you can't jump back in the next day. So how do you deal with that?


 Lindsay Webster: [00:58:45] Yeah, I mean, my answer is going to be a bit subpar, because I've never done much TV, these were the first multi races that I've ever done and they actually just happened to fall two weeks apart. So Spartan games of four day event.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:59:00] And we had ten like races. I guess that was throughout those four days.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:59:08] So we were racing two to three times a day.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:59:14] So, yeah, super tackling. And then I only had two weeks to sort of recover from it before the Golden Trail series Stage Race, which was also a four day event where we were all familiar. I think the average of 19 miles per day, anywhere from 17 to 44 miles per day. Yeah. Which I actually found harder than the Spartan Games. Like Spartan Games, you're doing different different events.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:59:46] Every event was different using different muscles each time.


 Lindsay Webster: [00:59:52] Yeah, exactly. And like, as you know, running is hard on your joints and stuff, especially like running so much. My quads really and tabs were fried.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:00:02] By the end of the day, it's like two more days to go. They also revved up the distances every day.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:00:09] So every day was longer. The last which made it anyway.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:00:16] Yeah. So my step parents are basically after Spartan Games. I had I took like a week. I took I think it was three days off and then it was sort of just like do whatever your body feels capable of for the rest of the week.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:00:31] Like it is just like movement.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:00:32] And I really never knew how tired I was going to be that day.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:00:37] And if I felt really good that day that I do a bit more and if I was still feeling tired, then I would just like do very little or rest again.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:00:46] And then the second week I got back into what I would just say was like my normal training routine. But it was by no means enough time to actually get ready for a running again.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:00:57] And so it was just like a normal training routine.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:01:01] Our focus was on the Spartan Games, which like I like I said, it was a whole bunch of different events or a training was way different than it would have been for a mountain running event. And so then. Yes, and then we went to the Azar's for the Golden Trail series race. And then once that was over, like, oh, it's off season for me. So so, yeah, again, I think I took four days totally off, mostly because we were traveling home and they were literally traveling all day, every day and didn't really have the option of like training.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:01:35] But that's fine because my body didn't really want to. When I got back into the fifth day, I what do they try to do? The Fiesta. I went for a half hour run and I felt like pretty nauseous.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:01:49] So I just shut it down and that's all I did that day. And then every day since then has just been like, oh, whatever. I feel like I did intervals one day because I felt good.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:02:00] Yeah. So but I know it's off season, so like I don't really need to be training. It's just that, like I said, I have trouble sitting still. So some days I'm just like I'm trying to like move basically. And then there was that one random day that I felt really good and I had way too much energy. So I did intervals.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:02:17] Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Jase Kraft: [01:02:21] Cool. OK, well these last few questions just they're meant to be quick. Kind of top off top of your head answers 60 seconds or less. So the first one actually we already answered this one, but I'll change it a little bit. But you're into your gardening and baking and cooking. What's your favorite food to grow?


 Lindsay Webster: [01:02:50] Yes, I have a veggie garden and it will have flowers. There is some here before already the favorite thing to grow.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:02:58] I could not answer that.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:03:02] I don't know, there's so many exciting things to grow and they're also nursing, so I really enjoy growing spinach until we're big cell eaters.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:03:12] And it's so fun to just feel like everything that's like in your salad bowl is something that you grow. And I like growing like snow peas and cherry tomatoes a lot because like, we just go out there and like, if I'm like, I want a snack, I'll just like, go take them off the plant and eat for 20 minutes. My pumpkins this year, which is really exciting. When the fall rolled around for a little, I grew. What else? I don't know. Like all of that is to me like very exciting and nursing. And it's just really from the get go be like, oh, I need some carrots and you can just go pick them out of the ground like. Yeah. Oh that.


Jase Kraft: [01:03:53] My wife and I epically failed in our garden this year, but we did get snow peas and cherry tomatoes, all of our spinach and got eaten by bugs and.


Jase Kraft: [01:04:06] And that stuff did not grow very well, so lots of trial and error.


Jase Kraft: [01:04:14] It was our first year try.


Jase Kraft: [01:04:15] And so, yeah,


 Lindsay Webster: [01:04:17] We're going to try again next year, right? Yeah.


Jase Kraft: [01:04:23] So the next question we have. What was that?


 Lindsay Webster: [01:04:28] I heard somebody told me, like, if you put vinegar or Coca-Cola in like a spray bottle and use for your from like the East, which says a lot about how bad for.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:04:42] Ok, then, I don't know.


Jase Kraft: [01:04:46] Yeah, we we have like a tea tree oil. It's like a Maluka oil is what it's called and that's supposed to help. We just didn't do that until it was too late. We did a few, but we got very close.


Jase Kraft: [01:05:13] The next question.


Jase Kraft: [01:05:16] This isn't supposed to get you in trouble, but just to reflect on who's the the better athlete you are, Ryan?


 Lindsay Webster: [01:05:25] Well, I'm going to say I think it's not and I'm not just saying that to not be whether we're talking or whatever, but he like his capabilities, blow my mind because he can run a super fast mile like his five day time capsule, like it's the fastest.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:05:47] But it's up there. Like what? I don't know. Right. What's your fucking time?


 Lindsay Webster: [01:05:54] Fifteen minutes.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:05:55] So it's not like, well, is that why. 


Jase Kraft: [01:06:00] I didn't catch the time, when do you say it was?


 Lindsay Webster: [01:06:03] Oh, 15 minutes.


Jase Kraft: [01:06:05] Oh, that's yeah, that's Kruzan,


 Lindsay Webster: [01:06:09] It's it's not like I don't know what's like the I guess people you computers that would probably like to.


Jase Kraft: [01:06:17] Yeah, low for low to mid 40s was pretty typical, yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:06:24] And he's not like like a track athlete, like a I don't know.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:06:30] But then so he can run pretty quick and fast, but then also like. His engine is incredible, like last summer, I like him. He did this three day, like, fastest in time, like a mountain range, so he did forty six mountain days and he wasn't sleeping just like that. Risottos like go around the clock and and and his body never like like his running form holds up. Incredible to watch him. If you watch him do like twenty four hour race like he always wins the one that I was talking about that I was so proud of myself for competing in. Yeah. Every year that he's won and like his running from the home of the twenty four hour will be the same as when he started.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:07:24] So that makes a pretty good athlete like he's just so consistent and like yeah it doesn't matter what distance you throw him into the race right there.


Jase Kraft: [01:07:38] He was also on the world's toughest race.


Jase Kraft: [01:07:40] I interviewed Sonya WEC from my own cowboy and then I got to see Ryan very glimpse of him because he wasn't like they weren't featured or whatever, but they did well.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:07:56] Yeah, yeah.


Jase Kraft: [01:07:59] Ok, so last question and then we'll just close with how to keep up with you and stuff. But if you could make like a lasting impression on any, any girls that look up to you as an athlete and a person, what would that be? What do you want to be remembered for?


 Lindsay Webster: [01:08:23] What do I want to be remembered for? Oh, I know, like.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:08:29] I feel like I don't know if you're in the position to where people are looking up to you.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:08:36] There's so many things besides just like success in your sport that you can now do with, like. All sorts of different philanthropic type things and just don't feel like an environmentalist or, I don't know, nothing. I mean, I know it's hard to answer.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:08:56] I guess I just want to be remembered for, like, making a difference outside of my sport, too. Like, I guess it's like there's more to me than that. And I just like other up and comers in the sports, like trying to make a difference with the surface of the platform that they have.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:09:16] Yeah. Like I thought you were going to ask me, like, oh, if I had advice or something like that in terms of like racing, interviewing witnesses, it certainly is OK to use use your sport to be a part of your life, not your whole life.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:09:37] That's what I'm kind of go, oh, where did you go to go?


Jase Kraft: [01:09:43] And since you ready for some advice, what advice would you give them?


 Lindsay Webster: [01:09:52] For advice, I was going to say, I guess, take your sport as I don't know, I guess don't look at adding a whole like, oh, one day I want to be like the world champion of the sport, like working your way out, know, start by being like, oh, I'm going to win my age group category and then I'm going to like then to really feel how I do and then like I want to come my top 10, like, I don't know, I guess just.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:10:24] Like, kind of, yeah, work your way up there as you go along and enjoy the experience. I don't like that yourself, so don't put yourself up for disappointment, I guess, like, set yourself up for successes.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:10:38] There's like huge learning curve that happens on the and so, like, I wouldn't want anybody to be like, oh, I want to go race the world championships for my first race and then I want to win it and I'd do anything less.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:10:51] But I'm going to be disappointed in myself.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:10:54] But I'm sure you're if you're a good athlete and you race in your age group category and you hit the podium, I'm like, that's incredible.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:11:00] So and that's going to be way more motivating than I would be to have set yourself up for disappointment. Yeah.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:11:10] Not that I'm saying it's possible. Like, we definitely know some girls, but I'm like I'm sure if you raced in the lead category, you had a podium at the world championships.


Jase Kraft: [01:11:22] Yeah, cool.


Jase Kraft: [01:11:23] Cool. So how can how can somebody say have to follow what you got going on? Where do you spend most of your time when it comes to social media and stuff.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:11:33] Yeah, definitely Instagram for me to get into. Tick tock. You couldn't do it.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:11:40] I'll keep you.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:11:43] Lindsay, Don Webster, the Instagram name.


Jase Kraft: [01:11:47] And that's what I do like trying to answer everybody's messages sometimes when epically slow, like sometimes it takes me like two days just to then data my phone and the bad and I get around to it again, sir.


Jase Kraft: [01:12:03] So what do you have your sights set on for twenty, twenty one. I mean what are you going to focus on for as far as complete competitions and stuff.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:12:14] I have no idea because, I mean, I don't think anybody in the world knows right now that will.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:12:24] Yeah, I don't know, I think we'll see where next year, although they haven't really yet.


Jase Kraft: [01:12:30] Have they announced that. 


 Lindsay Webster: [01:12:31] They're actually attacking the Golden Trail series?


 Lindsay Webster: [01:12:34] Like, I'd like to focus a little bit more on their own drama, especially if they're going to do that again next year is such a fun race. And I want to give it another go and I'm actually prepared for it.


Jase Kraft: [01:12:44] Yeah. Yeah. Have they announced the US National Series for its.


Jase Kraft: [01:12:50] And yet.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:12:52] No, I've heard like the Chameleon series dates that are still tentative.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:13:01] Yeah, I think they're hoping that they're going to have a series next year or even next year, but nobody really knows.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:13:11] Yeah, I haven't officially. OK, for the US races.


Jase Kraft: [01:13:17] Cool. Awesome. Well, thanks for that.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:13:22] They said, well, I see you in a museum and. 


Jase Kraft: [01:13:25] I think I'm having a my first kid on March 13th, so that's going to put a little. Yeah, thank you. So that's put in a little bit of complications in the spring season for me. But I'm hoping to get to I would like to head up a US national series race in twenty twelve. And just to kind of see where I'm at with everybody else and I'll look for you.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:13:57] But in the meantime, like, oh, that's life's biggest adventure. Yeah. Thank you.


Jase Kraft: [01:14:06] All right. Well with that we'll say goodbye to the listeners. Thanks for being with us. Go for Lindsay, Don Webster, Lindsay with an A on Instagram and cheer her on. And twenty twenty one.


 Lindsay Webster: [01:14:20] Thank you. We think importunate and.


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Lindsay Webster

Professional Spartan and Obstacle Course Racing Athlete

Lindsay Webster is a Spartan and Obstacle Course Racing Athlete. After having placed 1st in the World Championships in Lake Tahoe, California the past two years, there isn’t much left to conquer. Her first OCR race ever was in 2014 at the Spartan World Championships in Killington, VT - after around 200 burpees, she finally finished, and has been hooked ever since.